Lab Leak Theory

lalinea wrote:Pa npr, menja to da li ce se naci pravo poreklo ovog virusa i tako steci bolje razumevanje za neku sledecu pandemiju. Ovako, dok se vode politicke borbe i spinuje po potrebi, priroda kuva neki sledeci sars virus.

Talason wrote:meni stvarno nije jasno šta nas boli kurac da li je virus pobegao iz laba, šta to menja?

lalinea wrote:Pa npr, menja to da li ce se naci pravo poreklo ovog virusa i tako steci bolje razumevanje za neku sledecu pandemiju. Ovako, dok se vode politicke borbe i spinuje po potrebi, priroda kuva neki sledeci sars virus.

MNE wrote:nije mutirao u ostalih 99 velikih gradova(ako na to ciljaš) nego baš u tom pored laboratorije gdje su vršili eksperimente sa glej čuda baš takvim virusima

Cousin Billy wrote:

MNE wrote:nije mutirao u ostalih 99 velikih gradova(ako na to ciljaš) nego baš u tom pored laboratorije gdje su vršili eksperimente sa glej čuda baš takvim virusima

A zašto su baš tamo podigli taj institut, reci nam sad to, Matiću sine

Del Cap wrote:

lalinea wrote:Pa npr, menja to da li ce se naci pravo poreklo ovog virusa i tako steci bolje razumevanje za neku sledecu pandemiju. Ovako, dok se vode politicke borbe i spinuje po potrebi, priroda kuva neki sledeci sars virus.

Naravno da je primarna stvar cele ove priče ciljanje odgovornih/krivaca i politizacija teme.

Spremanje za novu pandemiju je bio deklarativni cilj i svih tih eksperimenata, pa je iskliznulo iz šaka, da ne kažem iz laba. E sad, ista ta nauka je dosta brzo spakovala vakcine, daj šta daš, ali cela situacija je svetlosnim godinama daleko od nekakve poželjne kompetentnosti bilo nauke bilo politike.

Responding to a report from the non-profit organization White Coat Waste Project, both Democrats and Republicans signed a letter this week demanding to know why the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases – one of the 27 institutes under the NIH – partially funded an experiment that locked beagles’ heads in cages while hordes of hungry sandflies ate them alive.

lalinea wrote:

Del Cap wrote:

Naravno da je primarna stvar cele ove priče ciljanje odgovornih/krivaca i politizacija teme.

Spremanje za novu pandemiju je bio deklarativni cilj i svih tih eksperimenata, pa je iskliznulo iz šaka, da ne kažem iz laba. E sad, ista ta nauka je dosta brzo spakovala vakcine, daj šta daš, ali cela situacija je svetlosnim godinama daleko od nekakve poželjne kompetentnosti bilo nauke bilo politike.

Ali to bi imalo smisla da postoji bilo kakav dokaz da je ovaj virus iscureo iz nekog laba (kolokacija nije nikakav dokaz). Da bi nesto odnekud iscurelo mora prvo negde da bude. A to sto neka organizacije nije na vreme prijavila gain of function experiment ne daje bas nikakvu tezinu da je virus izasao iz laba. Samo se vade razni dogadjaji iz konteksta da bi se javnosti dalje plasirala politizacija price. (Ako ja dobro razumem, oni nisu proaktivno prijavili jer valjda i nisu ocekivali rezultat koji prelazi taj limit za prijavu, tako nesto). Gain of function experimenti se rade, to se znalo i pre ove price. Dajte biloski dokaz da je taj experiment povezan sa ovim virusom. Guess what - nema takvog dokaza.
Prvo se mesecima.trubelo da je napravljen u labu. Kad to nigde i nikako nije moglo da se dokaze i kad se naucna javnost svuda slozila da je prirodno poreklo apsolutno najverovatniji scenario, sad se gura 'iscureo iz laba'. A u nedostatku dokaza da je ovaj virus bio u nekom labu, sad se povlaci da neka agencija nije na vreme prijavila gain of function experiment u labu u Wuhanu i da je NiH prvo rekao da ih nije radio... (Ako nije napravljen u labu, kakve veze ima sto su se radili GOF experimenti?)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59100114

Covid-19 origins may never be known, US intelligence agencies say


US intelligence agencies say they may never be able to identify the origins of Covid-19, but they have concluded it was not created as a biological weapon.

In an updated assessment of where the virus began, the Office of the US Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) said an animal-to-human transmission and a lab leak were both plausible hypotheses for how it spread.

But there was not enough information to reach a definitive conclusion.

China has criticised the report.

The findings were published in a declassified report which is an update of a 90-day review that President Joe Biden's administration released in August.

It said the intelligence community remains divided on the most likely origin of the virus. Four agencies assessed with "low confidence" it had originated with an infected animal or a related virus.

But one agency said it had "moderate confidence" that the first human infection most likely was the result of a laboratory accident, probably involving experimentation or animal handling by the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The report also said Chinese officials were unaware of the existence of the virus before the initial outbreak of Covid-19 in the city of Wuhan, in late 2019. But it said China was continuing to hinder the global investigation and to resist sharing information.

Chinese authorities linked early Covid-19 cases to a seafood market in Wuhan, leading scientists to theorise that the virus first passed to humans from animals.

But earlier this year, US media reports suggested growing evidence the virus could instead have emerged from the Wuhab laboratory, perhaps through an accidental leak.

In May, President Biden ordered intelligence officials to investigate the virus's origins, including the lab leak theory, which is rejected by China.

Responding to the intelligence report, the Chinese embassy in Washington said in a statement to Reuters news agency: "The US moves of relying on its intelligence apparatus instead of scientists to trace the origins of Covid-19 is a complete political farce.

"We have been supporting science-based efforts on origins tracing, and will continue to stay actively engaged. That said, we firmly oppose attempts to politicise this issue."

Around 240 million cases of Covid-19 have been confirmed around the world, with more than 4.9 million deaths.

In previous animal-to-human viral transmissions such as the 2003 SARS outbreak in China, researchers ascertained intermediate animal hosts and serologic signs of infections in animal traders within months of the outbreaks. Despite intensive efforts over the past two years, no one has found a bat-source population, SARS-CoV-2 circulating in an intermediate species that functioned as a viral conduit between bats and humans, or evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was present anywhere else before it emerged in Wuhan.

Consider, too, the unique furin cleavage site between the S1 and S2 subunits of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Furin is an enzyme expressed by human cells that separates the spike protein subunits at the cleavage site, enabling the virus to bind more efficiently to human cells and release its genetic material into them. It is an important reason that SARS-CoV-2 is so easily transmissible.

The furin cleavage site is found nowhere else in the entire genus of SARS-related betacoronaviruses. SARS-CoV-2 is the only one that has it. This fact alone suggests that it did not arise naturally in SARS-CoV-2. In addition, while other, more distant coronaviruses do have furin cleavage sites, the protein components (amino acids) in the SARS-CoV-2 furin cleavage site are coded for by a unique set of nucleotides in its RNA, not found in the other viruses, making natural recombination between the viruses unlikely.