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PPP 

Malo jači debatni klub. Ko i G7 uostalom.

Delimicmo zboris istinu ali posto su SAD zemlja koja deluje povrsno tj.simbolicki a ne sustinski, te je za njih sam sastanak veliki udarac i prijem SA i UAE u klub poraz, jer su to bili 101% njihovi igraci i mnogo vazni u svetskoj ekonomiji zbog nafte.

Ono sto je sustinski vazno da je Kina prestigla SAD po gornjim grafikonima i da je Rusija najveca ekonomija u Evropi  mada se moze reci izjednacena sa Nemackom.

To je PPP. Nominal je ono sto je se zaista racuna kad se gleda moć države. PPP je bitnija za stanivništvo i to je u redu.

Дакле имамо сад мушки и женски пепепеј. Често се то брка, а не би требало.

Mór Thököly wrote:To je PPP. Nominal je ono sto je se zaista racuna kad se gleda moć države. PPP je bitnija za stanivništvo i to je u redu.

Zasto mislis da je kod poredjenja velicine bdp drzava vazniji nominalni bdp od pariteta?
Mnogi autoriteti ce reci suprotno. Eto  ja nisam autoritet, ali tvrdim da je kineski nominalni bdp umanjen u odnosu na realnu velicinu kineske ekonomije jer Kinezi drze juan vestacki nisko zbog izvoza i konkuretnosti. Zbog cega su imali trgovacke sukobe sa SAD koje su Kinu optuzivale za manipulacijom juanom tj.da juan vestacki drze potcenjnim kako bi vise izvozili u SAD a manje uvozili. Kada se pogleda potrosnja energije Kine ili prodaja automobila, Kina je veca privreda od SAD.

Kod Rusa je to jos izrazenije gde bdp ide po 20% gore dole po godini zbig kretanja rublje dok je realni rast/pad 2% na godisnjem nivou.

Za mene nominal ne igra ulogu u poredjenju, on moze da posluzi ako ulazes u neku zemlju.

Ali bih voleo da cujem tvoje stavove jer ja ipak nisam znalac popularni autoritet.

Koji autoriteti? 

Pa to što drže veštački je lepo, ali tike svejedno ograničavaju kupovnu moć. 

Ili možda da pređemo na real GDP? Lepo za rast kad je Kina u pitanju, ali i dalje govori o manjoj moći. 

Al pazi, to je sve pre nego što pređemo na ono o čemu niko ne govori - wealth.

Ukratko:

https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/non-alignment-brics/

...

Countries like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates have refused to sacrifice their national interests to punish Russia. Most importantly, they believe their bargaining power in the new Cold War will result in sweeter trade, technology, and weapons deals from the West. These eight countries alone will account for three-fourths of the world’s population and 60 percent of its economy by 2030. They have aspirations for regional dominance and believe non-alignment better serves their interests.

Little wonder, then, that these countries are adopting a stance of non-alignment to secure the same key technologies—fighter jets, green technology, chips, submarines, nuclear, advanced pharmaceuticals, 5G mobile networks—that could power their catch-up growth. The map of countries that remained neutral on Russia sanctions is no bleeding-heart protest for global justice, but a hard-nosed security play. Before signing up to the West’s new financial-technological-military regime, these countries intend to extract maximum concessions. They are also betting that the West will tolerate their foot-dragging on Russian sanctions, and refrain from imposing secondary sanctions (sanctions for breaking sanctions) on them. Threats to exit, as any bargainer knows, confer power.

What exactly do the countries flirting with a new non-alignment want?

1. Core technologies to power future growth;

2. Advanced military hardware for enhanced security;

3. The upper hand in trade negotiations with Europe, the US, and the new Russia-China bloc;

4. Essential commodities like food, energy, metals and fertilizers from the new Russian-Chinese bloc;

5. Better terms to  restructure their debt to Western and Chinese creditors during a punishing global dollar debt crisis that threatens their sovereignty.

Mór Thököly wrote:Koji autoriteti? 

Pa to što drže veštački je lepo, ali tike svejedno ograničavaju kupovnu moć. 

Ili možda da pređemo na real GDP? Lepo za rast kad je Kina u pitanju, ali i dalje govori o manjoj moći. 

Al pazi, to je sve pre nego što pređemo na ono o čemu niko ne govori - wealth.

Evo jednog autoriteta za kojeg verujem da ti cenis,


https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2007/03/basics.htm

Del Cap wrote:Ukratko:

https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/non-alignment-brics/

...

Countries like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates have refused to sacrifice their national interests to punish Russia. Most importantly, they believe their bargaining power in the new Cold War will result in sweeter trade, technology, and weapons deals from the West. These eight countries alone will account for three-fourths of the world’s population and 60 percent of its economy by 2030. They have aspirations for regional dominance and believe non-alignment better serves their interests.

Little wonder, then, that these countries are adopting a stance of non-alignment to secure the same key technologies—fighter jets, green technology, chips, submarines, nuclear, advanced pharmaceuticals, 5G mobile networks—that could power their catch-up growth. The map of countries that remained neutral on Russia sanctions is no bleeding-heart protest for global justice, but a hard-nosed security play. Before signing up to the West’s new financial-technological-military regime, these countries intend to extract maximum concessions. They are also betting that the West will tolerate their foot-dragging on Russian sanctions, and refrain from imposing secondary sanctions (sanctions for breaking sanctions) on them. Threats to exit, as any bargainer knows, confer power.

What exactly do the countries flirting with a new non-alignment want?

1. Core technologies to power future growth;

2. Advanced military hardware for enhanced security;

3. The upper hand in trade negotiations with Europe, the US, and the new Russia-China bloc;

4. Essential commodities like food, energy, metals and fertilizers from the new Russian-Chinese bloc;

5. Better terms to  restructure their debt to Western and Chinese creditors during a punishing global dollar debt crisis that threatens their sovereignty.

Dobro je znati da Kinezi danas nisu poznati po proizvodnji bele tehnike, razne elektronike, masina i el.vozila...samo esencijalno-voda,zemlja,vazduh.

Улични ходач wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:Koji autoriteti? 

Pa to što drže veštački je lepo, ali tike svejedno ograničavaju kupovnu moć. 

Ili možda da pređemo na real GDP? Lepo za rast kad je Kina u pitanju, ali i dalje govori o manjoj moći. 

Al pazi, to je sve pre nego što pređemo na ono o čemu niko ne govori - wealth.

Evo jednog autoriteta za kojeg verujem da ti cenis,


https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2007/03/basics.htm

Pa sve je u redu. Lepo piše

Advantages of PPP. A main one is that PPP exchange rates are relatively stable over time. By contrast, market rates are more volatile, and using them could produce quite large swings in aggregate measures of growth even when growth rates in individual countries are stable. Another drawback of market-based rates is that they are relevant only for internationally traded goods. Nontraded goods and services tend to be cheaper in low-income than in high-income countries. A haircut in New York is more expensive than in Lima; the price of a taxi ride of the same distance is higher in Paris than in Tunis; and a ticket to a cricket game costs more in London than in Lahore. Indeed, because wages tend to be lower in poorer countries, and services are often relatively labor intensive, the price of a haircut in Lima is likely to be cheaper than in New York even when the cost of making tradable goods, such as machinery, is the same in both countries. 

Sad, šta ti misliš, da li moć zemlje više zavisi od proizvodnje mašina ili od cene šišanja i taksija?

Lepo pise ali bojim se da ti nisi razumeo.

Del Cap wrote:Ukratko:

https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/non-alignment-brics/

...

Countries like China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates have refused to sacrifice their national interests to punish Russia. Most importantly, they believe their bargaining power in the new Cold War will result in sweeter trade, technology, and weapons deals from the West. These eight countries alone will account for three-fourths of the world’s population and 60 percent of its economy by 2030. They have aspirations for regional dominance and believe non-alignment better serves their interests.

Little wonder, then, that these countries are adopting a stance of non-alignment to secure the same key technologies—fighter jets, green technology, chips, submarines, nuclear, advanced pharmaceuticals, 5G mobile networks—that could power their catch-up growth. The map of countries that remained neutral on Russia sanctions is no bleeding-heart protest for global justice, but a hard-nosed security play. Before signing up to the West’s new financial-technological-military regime, these countries intend to extract maximum concessions. They are also betting that the West will tolerate their foot-dragging on Russian sanctions, and refrain from imposing secondary sanctions (sanctions for breaking sanctions) on them. Threats to exit, as any bargainer knows, confer power.

What exactly do the countries flirting with a new non-alignment want?

1. Core technologies to power future growth;

2. Advanced military hardware for enhanced security;

3. The upper hand in trade negotiations with Europe, the US, and the new Russia-China bloc;

4. Essential commodities like food, energy, metals and fertilizers from the new Russian-Chinese bloc;

5. Better terms to  restructure their debt to Western and Chinese creditors during a punishing global dollar debt crisis that threatens their sovereignty.

Njihova logika je "sound". Najefektniji nacin za Zapad da je ucini neefikasnom je da - naoruza Ukrajinu sto pre i sto vise.

Iako nemacka ima bdp po glavi stanovnika na drugom mestu, razlika je znacajno povecana u korist SAD u poslednjih 30ak godina. Mnogi u Nemackoj danas optuzuju rigidnu fiskalnu politiku u Nemackoj koja pokusava da drzi javni dug oko 60% bdp. U SAD, U, Italiji, Japanu i Francuskoj vec dugo nikog nije briga, oni furaju 100% i vise.

Austerity je propast, to nije sporno

Pa ne bas, samo treba znati. Italija i Francuska se nisu proslavile velikim dugom. Japan je 30 godina kuburio sa niskim rastom iako im je dug dosegao ogromne brojke.
Zavisi od vise faktora. Medjutim u Nemackoj bi mogli vise da daju za infrastrukturu. Nije logicno da prodaju tehnologiju kinezima i da Kinezi uzgrade desetibe hiljada km brxih pruga a u Nemackoj skoro nista. A imali su novaca uz ogromnog spoljnotrgovinskog suficita sads vise ne. Sukob sa Rusijom ih puno kosta.
Drugi veliki problem Nemacke su porezi.

Sukob s Rusijom je od juce, sjebavaju tom politikom evrozonu vec 12-13 godina.

Tesko. Oni su pokusali ali su odustali. Vec godinama ECB sponyorise jug Evrope, najvise, inace bi odavno pukli. Nemci sami sebe ogranicavaju plaseci se prevelikog javnog duga.

Ma ne, to je od Covida. Plus to ulaganje u Kinu umesto u near-shoring. Starteške budale, sutra ako pukne izmedju US i Kine moći će da se slikaju, ko i sad sa Rusijom. Bukvalno nesvest.

Nemcka je prvo preuze EU a onda otisla za Kinu. Ako bi se povukli sa istoka sve bi se raspalo. MAdjarska, Ceska, Poljska to je sve nemacka privredna zona.

Nemaju gde da se povuku

Jao, jadni Nemci, jesu sad videli sta im donosi osteriti, ko da im je neko birao Angelu Merkel. I jao, jadna Merkel, pa zasto nije ulagala vise blizu kuce, sta joj je trebalo to vezivanje za SAD

Ma kakva SAD, smislili su super foru - jeftin gas iz Rusije, a za manje zahtevne stvari jeftina proizvodnja u Kini. I nista nisu naucili iz primera Rusije.

Kao sto napisah, boli "izdaja"SA i UAE,

[size=40]U.S. Knew Saudis Were Killing African Migrants[/size]

https://archive.li/eaLIx