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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:03 pm

    The one fundamental socialist dogma without which belief in the order of
    Marxism is impossible, is that capitalism in its trend toward larger and larger
    producing units must by necessity develop a social structure in which all are equal as proletarians except a few expropriators. The expropriation of those few
    would then usher in the classless society. In other words, while the producing
    unit will become necessarily larger, the number of privileged unequals will
    become necessarily smaller, and finally the conversion of the whole productive
    machinery into one unit, owned and operated by and for the community of
    workers, will be inevitable and will eliminate inequality and privilege altogether.

    Actually, however, the number of privileged unequals increases in almost
    geometrical proportion to the size of the producing unit. The number of
    independent "bosses" decreases, of course, especially if the individual small
    stockholder in a large company is not regarded as independent, since he has no
    control. But the larger the unit becomes, the larger is the number of intermediate
    privileged positions, the holders of which are not independent entrepreneurs but
    even less unequal members of the proletariat. Between the overpaid president of
    a large company and the worst-paid ledger clerk, from the chief designer to the
    semiskilled foreman on an assembly line, there has come into existence a
    veritable army of dependent bourgeois classes. None of them has that interest in
    the "expropriated profit" which characterizes the "bourgeois" in Marxism. But
    all have a vested interest in the maintenance of unequal society. With the
    complete socialization of productive capacity, the number, size, and rigidity of
    these privileged though employed intermediate layers and classes would increase
    so tremendously as to crowd out the unskilled laborer at the bottom, in whose
    name and for whose nominal benefit the rapidly multiplying bureaucracy would
    be planning, designing, directing, and administrating the social and economic
    fabric. Economically the system might perform miracles of efficiency and
    productivity. But, far from being classless, it would be a society with the most
    rigid and most complicated pattern of naturally antagonistic classes which the
    world has ever seen.

    Instead of establishing the true freedom, the socialist state
    would produce a genuinely feudal society, though the serf would be proclaimed
    the beneficiary. In the heyday of feudalism in the twelfth and early thirteenth
    centuries the social pyramid was rationalized by the creed on which society was
    based. But social stratification in the socialist state cannot be justified. It cannot
    even be explained. It is as senseless as a hierarchy without God. That such a
    society is the inevitable consequence of the realization of socialism invalidated,
    therefore, all basis of belief in the Marxist creed as the harbinger of the future
    order.

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    Post by паће Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:14 pm

    Какво је страшило овај направио, баш добро гори.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:37 pm

    Ne, ne. Dobro je ovo.





    This failure to establish equality by economic freedom has destroyed the
    belief in capitalism as a social system in spite of material blessings, not only for
    the proletariat but among the very middle classes who have benefited most
    economically and socially. This shows in the tenacity with which the lower
    middle classes and the upper working classes—the layers hardest hit by
    inequality—cling to the fallacy that "free competition" among many small units
    is the most efficient method of industrial production, in spite of the quite obvious
    fact that integrated mass production is the most efficient and cheapest method,
    though the most unequal one. Mass production on a large scale might still retain
    all economic elements of competition; but socially it means complete
    monopolization. Yet it is only through this belief in "free competition," which
    implies that any increase in efficiency will increase equality of opportunity and
    of social status, that the belief in capitalism itself can be maintained.

    As soon as it is exploded these lower middle classes turn away from capitalism as they did
    in central Europe. The paramount importance of the promise of equality explains
    the pathetic struggle of the lower middle classes to send their children to college
    and university. They see in the professions—supposedly outside the sphere of
    capitalist economy—the channel through which that equality can be reached
    which is denied to them and their children in business life. When the European
    college graduates realized that this too had been an illusion, they turned away
    from capitalism.

    But the most important, most conclusive proof both of the
    importance of the social promise and of the degree to which the faith in it has
    been destroyed, lies in the acceptance by the European working class of the
    Marxist thesis of the "impoverishment of the masses" as gospel truth. That this
    thesis is wrong—both as to the absolute economic status of the worker and as to
    the discrepancy between his status and that of the propertied classes—has not
    shaken belief in it at all and is really quite irrelevant. For the thesis intends
    nothing but that the worker should feel that he is becoming more and more unequal and that he has less and less chance to rise out of the ranks of the
    proletariat. It is highly significant that he formulates this correct impression in a
    statement which pronounces capitalism a failure.

    To state exactly when the belief in capitalism was finally disproved is, of
    course, impossible. But it was reduced to absurdity on the day when Henry Ford
    showed the world that mass production is the cheapest and most efficient form
    of production. Since then economic progress necessarily has involved greater
    inequality. The European belief in capitalism as a social order would, however,
    have collapsed much earlier but for two factors. One—probably a minor one—
    was the economic imperialism of the nineteenth century which provided oversea
    outlets and pickings for the middle classes. The other and decisive factor was the
    existence of the United States.



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    Post by Летећи Полип Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:42 pm

    The main problem of a "managed consumption" economy lies not in the
    economic but in the social and political field. As long as the masses are willing
    to accept a reduction of consumption and as long as they accept as socially more
    desirable the goods which are produced in the place of former nonessential
    consumption goods, the system can work.

    "Guns instead of butter" is not an economic alternative; it is a moral and social choice. Contrary to general
    opinion, the reduction of consumption is not a weakness of the totalitarian
    society but one of its main sources of strength. It is the means by which the
    noneconomic society is balanced. The fact that the standard of living and of
    consumption of each class is reduced proportionately less than that of the class
    immediately above, lends economic substance to the substitution of
    noneconomic for economic rewards.

    This negative economic compensation is
    the greatest and the most potent social satisfaction in the noneconomic society of
    totalitarianism. And it will continue to satisfy the masses until and unless they
    cease to believe in the ideology of the noneconomic society altogether. The
    collapse, if it comes, will be a moral and not an economic collapse.


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    Post by bradilko Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:49 pm

    umro brana scepanovic. kovid
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    Post by ćaća Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:58 pm

    Što me podseti da je umro gospodin Goluža (Lazo).
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:30 pm

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    Šta nam rade...


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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:06 pm

    Aaaa, koji mindfuck u drugoj polovini. Šta znače sve ove reči!


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    Post by ćaća Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:11 pm

    Npr?
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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:19 pm

    Ideologija interpelira individue kao subjekte


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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:56 pm

    To illustrate this concept, Althusser gives the example of a friend who knocks on a door. The person inside asks "Who is there?" and only opens the door once the "It's me" from the outside sounds familiar. By doing so, the person inside partakes in "a material ritual practice of ideological recognition in everyday life".[1] In other words, Althusser's central thesis is that "you and I are always already subjects" and are constantly engaging in everyday rituals, like greeting someone or shaking hands, which makes us subjected to ideology.
    Althusser goes further to argue that "all ideology hails or interpellates concrete individuals as concrete subjects" and emphasizes that "ideology 'acts' or 'functions' in such a way that it ... 'transforms' the individual into subjects".[1] This is made possible through Althusser's notion of interpellation or hailing which is a non-specific and unconscious process. For example, when a police officer shouts (or hails) "Hey, you there!" and an individual turns around and so-to-speak 'answers' the call, he becomes a subject. Althusser argues that this is because the individual has realized that the hailing was addressed at him which makes him subjective to the ideology of democracy and law.
    Consequently, individual subjects are presented principally as produced by social forces, rather than acting as powerful independent agents with self-produced identities.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:21 pm

    Da, postaje malo jasnije kasnije kroz taj primer, i onaj sa detetom što tek treba da se rodi.


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:27 pm

    Robert Evans: A brief history of vice

    Ovaj lik je radio za Cracked, sad ima podcast, znači kombinacija humor+povijest.
    Ovdje on dere po po povijesti, kako je whitewashana i kako mi ne znamo ništa o utjecaju alkohola, droge, prostitucije i uvreda na ljudski razvoj. O uvredama prenosi teoriju antropologa Richarda Leea koji je proveo neko vrijeme s plemenom u Africi gdje se upoznaje s običajem "shaming of the meat". Naime antropolog je kupio hrpu mesa da počasti pleme što su mu dopustili da provede vrijeme s njima, a oni ga počeli zajebavati, 'neš mi ti te hrane, koje jadno meso...', da bi na kraju ispalo da pleme kao najveću prijetnju vidi muškarce pune sebe koje zatim treba spustiti na zemlju.
    Ima hrpu droge i psihoaktivnih supstanci u knjizi, na kraju svkog poglavlja autor nudi recept kako doć do tog nekog napitka ali da bude AUTENTIČNO - dakle ona moderna tlapnja da se bude što više vjerodostojan. Simpa skroz.
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    Post by disident Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:46 pm

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:Robert Evans: A brief history of vice

    Ovaj lik je radio za Cracked, sad ima podcast, znači kombinacija humor+povijest.
    Ovdje on dere po po povijesti, kako je whitewashana i kako mi ne znamo ništa o utjecaju alkohola, droge, prostitucije i uvreda na ljudski razvoj. O uvredama prenosi teoriju antropologa Richarda Leea koji je proveo neko vrijeme s plemenom u Africi gdje se upoznaje s običajem "shaming of the meat". Naime antropolog je kupio hrpu mesa da počasti pleme što su mu dopustili da provede vrijeme s njima, a oni ga počeli zajebavati, 'neš mi ti te hrane, koje jadno meso...', da bi na kraju ispalo da pleme kao najveću prijetnju vidi muškarce pune sebe koje zatim treba spustiti na zemlju.
    Ima hrpu droge i psihoaktivnih supstanci u knjizi, na kraju svkog poglavlja autor nudi recept kako doć do tog nekog napitka ali da bude AUTENTIČNO - dakle ona moderna tlapnja da se bude što više vjerodostojan. Simpa skroz.
    Није оставио неки посебан утисак на мене, мада је било занимљивих момената. Укратко очекивао сам више
    Мсм да је идаље имам негде у е формату


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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:09 am

    Ma meni ti je bio taman ono što sam očekivala, ni više ni manje, simpa, al ta obavezna autentična recepetura na kraju svakog poglavlja me lagano odbijala.
    A krenula sam ga čitat zbog njegovog podcasta 'Behind the bastards', tu mi je baš dobar.
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    Post by Solus_Rex Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:02 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:
    Ideologija interpelira individue kao subjekte
    Ajde ovde: "Kako se postaje hetro-normativnim ocem/ majkom" 
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:24 pm

    He himself and his followers daily
    call out to themselves, like the Italian Carthusian monk in the legend
    does to the miser, who displayfully counted the goods on which he
    could live for many years to come: “Tu fai conto sopra i beni,
    bisogna prima far il conto sopra gli anni.“[10]

     In order not to make amistake in the years, they count by minutes. A crowd of fellows, of
    the best among whom all that can be said is that one knows not
    whence he comes—a noisy, restless “Boheme,“ greedy after plunder,
    that crawls about in gallooned frocks with the same grotesque
    dignity as Soulonque‘s[11] Imperial dignitaries—, thronged the court
    crowded the ministries, and pressed upon the head of the
    Government and of the Army.

     One can picture to himself this upper
    crust of the “Society of December 10“ by considering that Veron
    Crevel[12] is their preacher of morality, and Granier de Cassagnac
    their thinker. When Guizot, at the time he was Minister, employed
    this Granier on an obscure sheet against the dynastic opposition, he
    used to praise him with the term: “C‘est le roi des droles.“[13] It
    were a mistake to recall the days of the Regency or of Louis XV. by
    the court and the kit of Louis Bonaparte‘s: “Often did France have a
    mistress-administration, but never yet an administration of kept
    men.“[14]

    Harassed by the contradictory demands of his situation, and
    compelled, like a sleight-of-hands performer, to keep, by means of
    constant surprises, the eyes of the public riveted upon himself as the
    substitute of Napoleon, compelled, consequently, everyday to
    accomplish a sort of “coup“ on a small scale, Bonaparte throws the
    whole bourgeois social system into disorder; he broaches everything
    that seemed unbroachable by the revolution of 1848; he makes one
    set people patient under the revolution and another anxious for it; he
    produces anarchy itself in the name of order by rubbing off from the
    whole machinery of Government the veneer of sanctity, by profaning
    it, by rendering it at once nauseating and laughable.

     He rehearses in
    Paris the cult of the sacred coat of Trier with the cult of the
    Napoleonic Imperial mantle. But when the Imperial Mantle shall
    have finally fallen upon the shoulders of Louis Bonaparte, then will
    also the iron statue of Napoleon drop down from the top of the
    Vendome column


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    Post by disident Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:37 pm

    Ep o gilgamesu kida, nije mi jasno kako se niko nije setio da ga pretoci u namunjenu blokbaster hit godine seriju, svi delovi su tu


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    Post by nalog sa ženinog laptopa Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:51 pm

    citam icons and symmetries kad tamo:

    We have thus achieved a remarkable piece of Thatcherite efficiency,
    namely to get something for nothing: we have obtained an experimental
    result without performing an experiment!


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    sun. People have visited the moon, we have sent space probes to 
    all but one of the planets, and words like "orbit" and "satellite" are 
    picked up by children in the nursery.
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:32 pm

    Lindsay Ellis: Axiom's end

    Ne znam koja je kraljica leftubea, jel Lindsay ili Contrapoints, draža mi je ova druga, al prva je eto napisala roman koji se bavi prvim kontaktom s vanzemaljcima. Kad je tek krenuo roman, hrpetina njezinog youtuberskog fandoma joj je davala dosta visoke ocjene, sad je već prošlo neko vrijeme i pada ocjena na goodreadsu, a jedan od komentara kaže 'nepretenciozni SF'. Mda. Uglavnom radi se o curi koja pomaže vanzemaljcu Ampersandu da dođe do svoje ekipice koju čuva američka vojska i naravno oni se zaljube, samo što do kraja ipak ne 'propričaju high languageom' - što je naravno šifra za visokointeligentni sex.
    Jest da niti jedan njezin video esej nisam pogledala do kraja, isto mi se čini da joj bolje leži yt forma.

    Sanmao: Stories of the Sahara
    Ovo je svojevremeno bio hit na kineskom tržištu, a riječ je o memoarima Kineskinje koja se putujući po raznim zemljama skrasi u jednom trenutku upravo u pustinji. Ajde ima zgodnih dijelova gdje opisuje kulturne nesporazume s domicilnim stanovništvom, ali sve skupa isto malo zapilalo.
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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:55 pm

    Zvezdo, ti si sigurno čit'o Franzena, šta misliš o njemu?

    Ja sam sad uzo da čitam Freedom. Stig'o sam do trećine i prilično sam underwhelmed. Izgleda mi kao nešto što bi, da se nije prešaltao na (lošu) političku satiru, za par godina mogao da piše sredovečni Marko Vidojković. Sličan sam utisak imao i dok sam čitao  Visit from the Goon Squad, Dženifer Igan (a stil i teme su baš slični, tu je čak i pank odrastanje i razbarušeni pank heroj kao predmet tinejdžerske zatreskanosti glavnih junakinja). Nije nezanimljivo, može da se čita, drži pažnju, ali ne kapiram uopšte šta bi tu književnost trebalo da čini velikom ili značajnom.


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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:55 pm

    meni je ta knjiga potpuno iscilela iz secanja, nisam siguran ni da sam je zavrsio.

    tako da o knjizi nemam sta da kazem, ali franzen je onaj klasican primer revolucije koja jede svoju decu. on je sebe postavio kao figuru koja raskida s pinconima i gadisima i zapravo je zacetnik tog trenda povratka romana u 19. vek, ali nekako je u tom talasu retradicionalizacije romana, talasu koji i dalje traje, nekako izvuko deblji kraj i sad je on avatar middlebrowa kome se svi rugamo dok knjizevnost za koju se borio, a koju zovemo imenom dzejmsa vuda, i dalje vlada svetom.


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