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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by zvezda je zivot on Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:03 am

zanimljiv i zabavan izbor jer mora da bira ozbiljne filmove i nije se glupirao. (le souffle au coeur je najuobicajniji izbor ovde, mnogi poznati ga stavljaju na criterionovu listu.)



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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:02 am


IŠČEKIVANJE VARVARA

Koga to očekujemo ovdje na agori?

Varvari danas će doći.

Otkud u Senatu ova nepokretnost?
Zašto sjede senatori, zakone ne kroje?

Zato jer varvari danas će doći.
Al’ zakone zašto ne donose senatori?
Kad varvari stignu, sa sobom donijeće svoje.

Zašto je tako rano ustao naš vladar?
i zašto na gradskoj kapiji stoji,
svečan, u odeždi sjajnoj i s krunom na glavi?

Zato jer varvari danas će doći.
I naš vladar izišo je
dar noseći pred njihovog vođu. Povelju
drži u ruci, pergamen gdje utisnuti
najveća su zvanja, titule i časti.

Zašto su izišli konzuli naši,
njih dva, i pretori u togama crvenim?
Zbog čega oni ametisti na rukama njinim,
od smaragda svi ti sjajni prstenovi?
Zbog čeg skupocjene štapove nose danas,
što rezbariše ih najbolji zlatari?

Zato jer varvari danas će doći,
a varvare zasjenjuju stvari.

Zašto nisu došli, ko obično, časni besjednici
da sačine govor i da kažu svoje?

Zato jer varvari danas će doći
a besjede, ljeporječje, varvarima dosadno je.

Al’ otkud najednom nelagodnost i pometnja?
(Kako ozbiljna su postala sva lica.)
Zašto tako brzo ulice i trgovi puste
i svak odlazi doma, opsjednut mislima?

Zato jer noć pade a varvara nema.
neki ljudi stigoše s granice,
tvrde da varvara nema više.

Bez varvara sada što će biti s nama?
Ti ljudi, na kraju, bjehu neko rješenje.

Konstantin Kavafi (1863-1933)
Preveo sa grčkog Slobodan Blagojević
Iz knjige Sabrane pjesme, Svjetlost, Sarajevo, 1988.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by William Murderface on Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:10 am

BTW, Ikić stavio ove stihove na početak svog filma, što pokazuje da slabo razume ne samo film, već i poeziju.

I u koji vi uvedete gledaoca u prvom kadru filma stihovima iz pesme Očekujući varvare Konstantina Kavafija: "Zašto se već smrklo, a varvari nisu došli/ A neki ljudi su stigli sa granice/ I rekli da varvara više nema/ Pa sad, šta ćemo bez varvara?/ Oni su ipak bili neko rešenje."
Metafora može da govori o odnosu Balkana prema ostatku Evrope, provincije prema gradu, siromašnih prema bogatima, a ja sam hteo da nađem moderne varvare koje društvo doživljava kao opasnost. Svako društvo ima monopol nad opasnošću. Zašto biste se vi udruživali ako nemate zajedničkog neprijatelja? Neprijatelj je uvek dobar izgovor da vladajuće strukture ostanu na vlasti, Orvelova 1984. priča o tome, pa i ove sada godine počivaju na strahu. Mediji ga stalno serviraju... Tražeći momke i devojke koji bi se transponovali u ono što sam ja zamislio na filmu, naišao sam na grupu koji su, kao i likovi u filmu, bili društveni otpadnici, tinejdžeri kojih se društvo stidi, i doživljava ih kao varvare.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:52 am

vidis to sam potpuno zaboravio. pa on bas ceka varvare kojih nema.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by William Murderface on Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:56 am

Tačno!


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Indy on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:05 am


Why revolution is no longer possible


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 am

ja bih se slozio s njim uz jedan dodatak: revolucija nije moguca pod trenutnim uslovima sveta.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Indy on Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:27 am

Zamisli kad sam se jedan ja uznemirio kad sam video naslov, mislim, "more kome ti to da revolucija nije moguca?!" A onda vidim, pa u pravu je covek.

Ali, sto kazes, u pravu je za sada.



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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by паће on Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:48 pm

Мало је ту збрзељао пред крај, са тим ербиенбијем и шерингом - иако је вероватно и ту, на дуже стазе, у праву, не делује довољно убедљиво. Да је бар описао механизам како и то доводи до оног истог.

Но, да, добро је сложио ствари које смо и сами уочили.

Пошто је систем тако постављен, непробојан и залуђујући, свесним појединцима преостаје једино да искоче из система. Што разни раде на разне начине - сива привреда, нестајање са тржишта радне снаге, непријављивање за социјалу, живот у изолованим припиздинама. Што рече један из врхова естаблишмента, "најебали смо тек ако почну да производе своју храну".


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:10 pm



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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:11 am

nije bas fragment ali evo ovde - sabrani benjamin na engleskom

http://thecharnelhouse.org/2015/12/10/walter-benjamins-writings-in-german-and-in-english/


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Indy on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:05 am

"The greatest feat of capitalism is to transmit its ideology to the working masses."

Kime (et al) ovo kruži po twitteru, zanima me ko je izvor (Google se nešto slabo snalazi).


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Bluberi on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:39 am

Možda Altiser.
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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Indy on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:07 am



(Schopenhauer)


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by William Murderface on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:12 am



Dobar! A pazi, u njegovo vreme su bili još daleko od industrijske hiperprodukcije bulšita.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by паће on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:19 am

William Murderface wrote:
Dobar! A pazi, u njegovo vreme su bili još daleko od industrijske hiperprodukcije bulšita.

И на руке може много тога! И постизали су, народ био вредан. Самиздат је био уносна грана, бар за штампаре.


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Post by bruno sulak on Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:32 am

Indy wrote:"The greatest feat of capitalism is to transmit its ideology to the working masses."

Kime (et al) ovo kruži po twitteru, zanima me ko je izvor (Google se nešto slabo snalazi).

stvarno lici na ranog altisera.
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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Indy on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:10 pm

Zanimljiv osvrt na "sobu odjeka" društvenih medija od strane Davida Byrnea. Jeste interesantan za čitanje (i aktuelan, Trump etc.), mada da kažem da se u osnovi ne slažem. Tj. toga sigurno ima (da ljudi "prate" samo one sa kojima se već slažu), ali to sigurno ne mora da bude tako. Moje iskustvo je baš suprotno, ja sam na netu našao svašta (i dobro i, khm, loše) zašta, bez tog media, skoro sasvim sigurno nikada ne bih čuo.

David Byrne wrote:We would like to think of the web at a place of pluralism—a place where many voices, often at odds with one another, can be heard. A place of diversity. A place to find out what wonderful and unexpected stuff exists that is different than anything and everything you already know.

Well, funnily enough...


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:26 pm

video sam da je to danas dejan krsic shareovao na fb ali nisam stigao da procitam. sada cu.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Indy on Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:16 am

This is the end of marriage, capitalism and God. Finally!

In reality, though, we can only speculate so much. The truth is that we’re moving into unchartered territory, and we need to become OK with that. We all want to see the future—it’s in our nature—but we simply can’t: The fundamental difficulty of innovation is that we have no data on what’s to come. It’s a perennial frustration, yet it’s also a source of vast possibility. We need to let go of traditional structures and allow for boundaries to loosen up and break down. A married Catholic capitalist, I may seem like the quintessence of the Old Guard. But with my judgment suspended and my mind opened, I’m not just ready for everything I know to be dismantled—I’m excited for it. And you should be, too.


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by William Murderface on Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:19 pm

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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:45 am

“Who arrests revolutions half-way?,” Hugo asks. “The bourgeoisie? Why? Because the bourgeoisie is interest which has reached satisfaction. Yesterday it was appetite, to-day it is plenitude, tomorrow it will be satiety. … The attempt has been made[by the communists, he means], and wrongly, to make a class of the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie is simply the contented portion of the people. The bourgeois is the man who now has time to sit down. A chair is not a caste. … Selfishness is not one of the divisions of the social order.” This could be questioned, in certain respects: but it remains very useful for understanding our world — that is, our bourgeois world. Grouped around the narrow oligarchy, there exist plenty of other interests that have “reached satisfaction.”




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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Thu May 19, 2016 4:36 pm

budenko

http://slobodnifilozofski.com/skripta-tv/ustav-je-posthistoricisticka-bajka


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by bruno sulak on Fri May 20, 2016 4:22 am

nije bas za ovde ali evo

http://www.thenation.com/article/benedict-andersons-view-of-nationalism/


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Re: Filozofski fragmenti

Post by Lucky908 on Fri May 20, 2016 8:49 pm

ostap bender wrote:nije bas za ovde ali evo

http://www.thenation.com/article/benedict-andersons-view-of-nationalism/
Simpatičan mu je bio ovaj drugar i prevodilac, slučajno naleteh sad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzTG0mhNIU

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