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    Post by Bluberi Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:43 am

    Tako je i s našim današnjim gledanjem na 1989. Da je odnos snaga u globalnoj politici drukčiji, možda bismo 1989. označili kao godinu propasti i početak tragedije, a ne kao godinu nade i početak jednog novog svijeta, okrenutog prema tzv. univerzalnom idealu liberalne demokracije koja sa sobom, manje-više neizbježno, donosi trajni mir. Godišnjice imaju svoj vijek trajanja – one traju i obilježavaju se dok traje politička i društvena moć koja se gomila oko njih i koja ih koristi kao svoj trademark, kao znak, kao simbol svoje supremacije. Pokaže li se, primjerice, da će 21. stoljeće biti stoljeće Kine, ili Irana, ili Turske, Rusije, pa čak i stoljeće jedne u biti neliberalne Amerike – ili, dogodi li se raspad i propast Evropske unije i projekta liberalne demokracije u Evropi, pobijedi li ponovno antiliberalni suverenizam, ili se čak i obnove radikalne desne ideologije – 1989. će potonuti u zaborav. Bit će marginalizirana, kao da se nije dogodila. Imali bismo tada situaciju da nešto što se i nije dogodilo onako kako je ispričano i kako je danas interpretirano, postane ponovno ne-događaj, da se vrati iz sfere političkog mita u sferu stvarnosti: manje glamurozne, manje moćne, manje utjecajne, ali zato zanimljivije za samo istraživanje. Uostalom, govorim ovo 7. studenog, na Dan fakulteta, koji je ujedno i – danas potpuno zaboravljen – dan Oktobarske revolucije. Ono što je nekad bio velik Događaj, koji se slavio i obilježavao širom socijalističkog svijeta, danas je za većinu običan radni dan. Za nas, evo, to je radni Dan fakulteta, u kojem govorimo o jednoj drugoj revoluciji. O onoj koju obilježava 7. studenoga, Ruskoj, se, uostalom, danas više ne govori ni u samoj Rusiji, kao što je u svom nedavno objavljenom članku u Političkoj misli objasnio naš kolega Tihomir Cipek.

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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:08 am

    To je "prirodan" tok stvari. Odnosi se menjaju, menja se i kultura sećanja, nema fiksnih tačaka koje će da prežive ne znam koliko dugo.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:13 am

    1989 was not about the end of history; it was about the future opening up. Suddenly, people could imagine themselves in different worlds, could reinvent themselves. This may often have been illusory, but it was also empowering. It felt as if you could decide anything. 1989 was a unifying moment of hope – or rather hopes. Some people hoped for better living standards, some for freedom, some for national glory – although they did not share an ideology, they were sharing a moment.

    https://www.eurozine.com/the-future-was-next-to-you/
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    Post by паће Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:18 am

    Не знам зашто, али кад сам видео наслов топића, одмах сам помислио да се ради о свим оним земљама које још нису достигле ништа од економских показатеља из 1989.


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    Post by Nino Quincampoix Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:01 am

    Takvih u Evropi ima jedna do dve.
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    Post by Filipenko Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:38 pm

    dr. Labrador Špegelj wrote:Takvih u Evropi ima jedna do dve.


    Bingo!


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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:42 pm

    Forced flight’ of East German women

    by Rachel Knaebel & Pierre Rimbert 



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    https://mondediplo.com/2019/11/07germany-box


    East Germany had had the world’s highest rate of women’s employment, but women were the first to be made redundant. They tried anything not to be trapped in the role traditionally assigned to women of Kinder, Küche, Kirche (children, kitchen, church). Fritz Vilmar and Gislaine Guittard note that ‘to increase their chances of getting another job, many had themselves sterilised. The Magdeburg hospital centre carried out eight sterilisations in 1989; in 1991 there were 1,200.’ Between 1987 and 1993, reflecting the state of social infrastructure and expectations for the future, the birthrate in the former GDR fell from 14 per 1,000 people to only five


    Between 1989 and 1992, the number of full-time employees in research (both in universities and in industry)in the new eastern Länder fell from 140,567 to fewer than 38,000, as research centres and science academies closed. In three years, 72% of former East German scientists lost their jobs. Those who remained had to undergo evaluations based notably on their political convictions, while the rest emigrated or took jobs that had nothing to do with their qualifications. The elimination of three quarters of the scientific community was justified on ideological grounds. In July 1990 an Academy of Sciences evaluation document said, ‘We must eradicate Marxist ideology though structural and personnel reforms’
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:50 pm

    da, u zapadnoj su imali mnogo bolju ideologiju

    muški, ženski i wc za doktore

    jedan novi tehničar se obrati doktoru samo sa her, ovaj ga izbaci iz kancelarije sa rečima: da je naše vreme, sada bih vas streljao

    veoma dobra ideologija, čak šta više
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    Post by Летећи Полип Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:07 pm

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    Da,da. To je taj pogled... Mučena, znam kako joj je.


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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:13 pm

    e da, pogled

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    Post by Guest Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:17 pm

    Iz jednog teksta, delimično na temu ali mi se čini da je i šire relevantno

    https://web.stanford.edu/~jhain/Paper/PA2009.pdf

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    In this paper, we have taken advantage of a natural experiment in East Germany to test the
    commonly held view that foreign mass media undermine the stability of authoritarian
    regimes.
    We have found that exposure to West German television increased support for
    the communist regime among East German teenagers and young adults
    . Our analysis suggests that the best explanation for this counterintuitive finding is escapism: West German
    television, and especially its entertainment programming, allowed East Germans to vicariously escape life under communism at least for a couple of hours each night, making their
    lives more bearable and the East German regime more tolerable. West German television
    also broadcast high-quality hard news programs, some of which offered in-depth coverage
    of politics in East Germany. There is no doubt that this political content could have undermined public support for the East German regime. What we have found, however, is that
    West German television exposure resulted in a net increase in regime support.


    Behavioral data on exit visa applications and archival material on the reaction of the East
    German leadership to the availability of West German television corroborate our results.
    We have found that in the Dresden district, where levels of access to over-the-air West
    German television broadcasts varied from county to county, exit visa application rates were
    systematically higher in counties without West German television. And the archival evidence clearly shows that by the late 1980s, East German authorities had come to realize that
    West German television was contributing to the stability of the regime, not undermining it.


    In an ironic twist for Marxism, capitalist television seems to have performed the same narcotizing function in communist East Germany that Karl Marx had attributed to religious
    beliefs in capitalist societies when he condemned religion as ‘‘opium of the people.’’

    Our survey only includes teenagers and young adults, which raises questions about
    the generalizability of our findings to other strata of the East German population. The fact
    that the behavioral and archival evidence agrees with our survey data results suggests that
    our inferences are not necessarily limited in their generalizability. But given the lack of
    public opinion data representative of East Germany as a whole, we cannot prove that West
    German television exposure had the same effect on other strata of the East German
    population.

    We are the first to admit that our results do not provide a comprehensive explanation for
    why some authoritarian regimes are able to stay in power while others are replaced by
    democratic governments. The study of individuals’ political preferences, including how
    they are shaped by exposure to foreign mass media, is only one step toward a better
    understanding of authoritarian stability and decline (Welzel 2006; Welzel and Inglehart
    2008). Work complementary to ours has analyzed the conditions under which individuals’
    political preferences lead to collective revolutionary action (Granovetter 1978;
    Bikhchandani, Hirshleifer, and Welch 1988; Kuran 1991; Lohmann 1994) and how the
    international opportunity structure affects the emergence and success of popular movements against authoritarian rule (Pridham 1991, 1997; Whitehead 1996; Linz and Stepan
    1996). Even though our results are context specific (East Germany in the middle to late
    1980s) and limited to the impact of one specific foreign media source, we believe they
    usefully complement the existing literatures on transitions to democracy and political
    legitimacy in authoritarian regimes.

    We believe our results also have relevance for contemporary U.S. international broadcasting efforts. After the attacks of September 11, Congress substantially increased funding
    for public diplomacy activities, which had been significantly reduced after the end of the
    Cold War (Nye 2004, 2008). In 2008 alone, the United States has spent almost $700 million
    on radio and television broadcasts to the Middle East (Radio Sawa and Alhurra TV),
    Eastern Europe (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty), Asia (Radio Free Asia), Cuba
    (Radio/TV Martı´), and the Voice of America. As during the Cold War, the goal of contemporary U.S. international broadcasting is to win the hearts and minds of foreign audiences,
    to increase understanding of and support for U.S. foreign policies, and to shift public opinion in non-democratic regimes in a more pro-democratic direction. But if history is any
    guide, foreign audiences might be more interested in the entertainment value of U.S. broadcasts than their political content.

    Finally, our results also offer a caveat to optimistic predictions about the democratizing
    force of modern information technologies such as the Internet.
    Authoritarian regimes seem
    to be well aware of the fact that modern information technology not only breaks down
    national barriers to the transmission of information but also provides entertainment. China,
    for instance, successfully pursues a strategy of access and control, embracing the economic
    and entertainment uses of the internet to promote development and sustain public support
    while strictly controlling political content (Kalathil and Boas 2003; Shirk 2007).
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    Post by beatakeshi Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:25 pm

    Ukratko, propaganda im je pogrešno vođena i loše izvedena.
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    Post by паће Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:09 pm

    Основна грешка те пропаганде је била у томе што су сами аутори веровали у своја срања и милион пута претеривали без проверавања чињеница.

    Дошло ми било друштво из СРН и Холандије за нову 1975... колима до Пасауа а онда возом. Јер су чули да ми овде немамо бензина. Испосмрзавали су се сваки пут кад су чекали превоз, и заклели се да више не верују својим новинама. Толико о пропаганди окренутој својима.

    А оно где је то било окренуто ка комунистичим земљама, налупетали су се толико пута да их је слабо ко узимао за озбиљно.


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    Post by Zuper Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:16 pm

    Naravno mi verujemo u to ispitivanje zbog podnosilaca zahteva za vizu.
    Ali posto je osoba batakashi(ne bih mogao reci da l je musko ili zensko iz pisanija pa da ga ne uvredim) poveravao a on je 'vako vispren imam nesto da kazem:
    To su srpska plemena u tzv. istocnoj nemackoj, to je luzica, a kod njih radi drugojacija logika.
    Evo najbolji primer je Vasilije. Uvek suportno udri i nema greske.

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