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by Guest Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:50 amSamo treba još malo da se strpimo. Čuo sam da je deda Elizabet Voren, Tom Voren, lečio srpske ranjenike u Marseju, zvali su ga Toma Srbin. Ona kad dođe u korenu će promeniti politiku SAD prema Srbiji.
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Creepy Uncle wrote:Samo treba još malo da se strpimo. Čuo sam da je deda Elizabet Voren, Tom Voren, lečio srpske ranjenike u Marseju, zvali su ga Toma Srbin. Ona kad dođe u korenu će promeniti politiku SAD prema Srbiji.
To ovaj sto nije Indijanac?
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Taj, taj. Nedeljnik će pisati o njemu, razmišljam da Veljku Laliću pošaljem priču o tome.
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UNUKA TOME SRBINA PREDSEDNICA AMERIKE (FOTO)
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Bungee jump wrote:
@Zuper Samo u apsolutnim brojkama.
Iseljavanje iz dardanije je sveprisutno kod svih.
Da imaju vecu slobodu jos lakse bi isli, kao sto mogu srbi zbog srpske putovnice.
A ako ce se o % onda je vece u odnosu na ostatak Srbije i pored problema sa putovnicama.
Dakle, vreme radi za nas samo jos Albino dodje na vlast.
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KinderLad wrote:UNUKA TOME SRBINA PREDSEDNICA AMERIKE (FOTO)
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Creepy Uncle wrote:KinderLad wrote:UNUKA TOME SRBINA PREDSEDNICA AMERIKE (FOTO)
Pazi, mogu da napisem ceo tabloidni clanak samo na osnovu ove recenice sto si napisao
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Creepy Uncle wrote:Taj, taj. Nedeljnik će pisati o njemu, razmišljam da Veljku Laliću pošaljem priču o tome.
Cu, pricu, posalji im intervju!
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Komentatori vesti su se pribrali i pravilno ocenili jučerašnja dešavanja. Amerika je postavila Kurtija da skine takse, Kosovo se priznaje do proleća. Nema narod ništa s tim.
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Ukidanje tak(a)sa da se unesu u himnu.
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Creepy Uncle wrote:Taj, taj. Nedeljnik će pisati o njemu, razmišljam da Veljku Laliću pošaljem priču o tome.
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KinderLad wrote:
Ukidanje tak(a)sa da se unesu u himnu.
Da se uradi freska na kojoj Tramp malim Kurtijem brise papir dok sa druge strane Sveti Sava salje cisterne Knez Petrola i kamione sa plazmom
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Uprava napolje!
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ficfiric wrote:KinderLad wrote:
Ukidanje tak(a)sa da se unesu u himnu.
Da se uradi freska na kojoj Tramp malim Kurtijem brise papir dok sa druge strane Sveti Sava salje cisterne Knez Petrola i kamione sa plazmom
Bože pravde ti što takse
ne ukinu do sad nam
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Ceo intervju Kurtija austrijskom Štandardu od pre neki dan mašinski (by Deepl) preveden na engleski:
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Politician Kurti: "Get us out of the jam and get us into the EU!"
Albin Kurti, leader of the party Vetëvendosje, could win the elections on Sunday. Then he would also negotiate with Serbia as prime minister of Kosovo
INTERVIEW Adelheid Wölfl 5 October 2019, 10:00
Albin Kurti wants to become the next prime minister of Kosovo - and as such represent all inhabitants of the country.
Photo: REUTERS/Laura Hasani
STANDARD: How will you shape the dialogue with Serbia if you become prime minister?
Kurti: If I become Prime Minister, I will start the dialogue with the Serbs in Kosovo in the first week of my term of office. No prime minister has yet done that, but that is very important. In the first month we must also see where we stand after the 33 agreements we have already concluded with Serbia. And then I look forward to meeting the new EU Foreign Affairs Commissioner, Josep Borrell. I do not care that he comes from Spain, a country that has not recognised Kosovo. His predecessor, Federicca Mogherini, came from a country that recognised us, but we were not happy with her, to put it mildly. Overall, it is important to prepare this dialogue well, because we cannot afford another failure.
STANDARD: Will you lift the hundred percent tariffs on products from Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegovina?
Kurti: These tariffs are not our policy. We will replace them with the principle of reciprocity. Serbia, for example, has to accept our number plates and documents that say "Republic of Kosovo". We also want to find out about the missing persons, regardless of their ethnicity, here in Kosovo, so that we can find missing Serbs and Roma. Joint teams of Kosovar, Serb and international investigators should be formed to investigate mass graves. Apart from that, Serbia owes us the compensation of war damages, pension funds and 1,200 cultural artefacts.
STANDARD: Why should Kosovo sign an agreement with Serbia?
Kurti: Good neighbourly relations are important. And EU membership is not possible without mutual recognition. In any case, I want the six Western Balkan states to join the EU all at once in a decade's time.
STANDARD: Do you think that is possible?
Kurti: I don't think it is very likely, but it is possible. The gross domestic product of all six Western Balkan states accounts for less than 50 percent of the gross domestic product of North Rhine-Westphalia or 40 percent of the gross domestic product of the Czech Republic. So please: Get us out of the jam and get us in!
STANDARD: The USA has an interest in reaching an agreement between Serbia and Kosovo because they want to clarify where the Nato border runs and where Russia's influence ends. But why should Serbia or Kosovo sign such an agreement?
Kurti: Serbia needs EU money and investment, and they have to recognise Kosovo. Russia wants to take revenge after the two failed coups in northern Macedonia and Montenegro - in the case of Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo. So we should be careful here.
STANDARD: How likely is it that there will be an agreement?
Kurti: You should ask Serbia that.
STANDARD: Have you ever met Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić?
Kurti: No. When he was here in 1998, he was Minister of Information under Slobodan Milošević, and I protested against Milošević. How do you think I met him there? There were police barriers.
STANDARD: Serbia wants some compensation for recognizing Kosovo. Could this be the Serbian community association?
Kurti: The Constitutional Court ruled that out. And what happened? No Serbs in Kosovo protested, only Belgrade. This group of municipalities was never for the Serbs. We must ask the Serbs in Kosovo to express their concerns. Belgrade cannot speak for the Serbs in Kosovo.
STANDARD: What do the Serbs in Kosovo want?
Kurti: The Serbs in Kosovo have state health insurance via the parallel structures that the Kosovo state does not offer. It's about humanity, we won't abolish that.
STANDARD: You've always been considered a hardliner. I remember when the cars of the EU mission were knocked over here by members of Vetëvendosje. Do you still want to use violence as a political tool in the future?
Kurti: As prime minister, I do not want to experience opposition as we were.
STANDARD: So no more violence?
Kurti: Yes, exactly. That is part of our past.
STANDARD: What do you think about the EU presence here?
Kurti: That's a very passive presence. Eulex has capitulated to organized crime and corruption. That is why we will tackle this now.
STANDARD: What judicial reform do you want to implement?
Kurti: We must increase the number of prosecutors and make them more active. There are so many scandals and violations of the law by prosecutors. The PDK has undermined the state. We will also get prosecutors from the diaspora. We need EU support, but we have to implement the strategy ourselves. Therefore we must create our own Eliot Ness' (an American tax official who fought Al Capone, note) and Giovanni Falcones (an Italian lawyer who fought the Cosa Nostra, note).
STANDARD: In Albania there is a commission of inquiry with international participation that filters out the corrupt prosecutors and judges.
Kurti: We also need that - and with foreign help. And we must enshrine corruption in the penal code. Of all criminal cases, corruption cases currently account for only one percent, only if someone is killed or injured. When it comes to fighting organised crime and corruption, it is also very important that the prime minister's office and the justice, home affairs and finance departments work together. After all, parts of our state are infiltrated.
STANDARD: What reforms does the police need?
Kurti: There are people there who are not professional or act biased. That needs to be clarified, especially among the high-ranking.
STANDARD: They won't like you for that.
Kurti: I'd be worried if they liked me.
STANDARD: Aren't you afraid you'll lose popularity if you start cutting pensions for veterans?
Kurti: 60,000 people participated in the war, but only 20,000 of them are really veterans. We need a commission to go through this, and in the meantime we will be looking for jobs for these people. They are now in their forties. They should be working.
STANDARD: What other reforms do you want?
Kurti: An educational reform - we must better combine business and education. I like the Austrian model, where two thirds of people do vocational training and only one third of young people go to grammar school.
STANDARD: What can President Hashim Thaçi expect when you become Prime Minister? Will you try to dismiss him as head of state?
Kurti: If I win the election, the first thing he has to do is fulfill his constitutional obligations. And that means he has to give me the mandate to form a government.
STANDARD: And then you dismiss him?
Kurti: He has to do his job and I have to do mine. No, once we win, he will see that the situation has changed radically. And just as he gave up his position as prime minister in 2014, so the time has come to release his current position.
STANDARD: The only reconciliation that has taken place so far between two Balkan states is between Greece and northern Macedonia. Both have withdrawn their nationalist rhetoric. But this is not happening at all between Kosovo and Serbia. Would that be necessary as a first step?
Kurti: I am sorry, but I am not so optimistic that we can compare that. Vučić is like Nikola Gruevski (former nationalist prime minister of Macedonia, note)
STANDARD: Wouldn't it still be important to change the rhetoric?
Kurti: Yes, but I would never say anything about Serbs like what Serbian Prime Minister Ana Brnabić said about Albanians when she talked about the "people from the forest". Chauvinism is not with us. Serbia must change much more than we do. 836 Albanians are in mass graves there, and there is not even a sign saying that 747 Albanians have already been exhumed. Not even a sign!
STANDARD: I remember our last conversation. You said to me that you were Albanians first and foremost. But do you represent a nation or an ideology? In the first case you would be a nationalist, in the second case a social democrat.
Kurti: As a member of the Vetëvendosje, I cannot be the same as myself when I become Prime Minister. The responsibility is very great and I would represent the State of Kosovo.
STANDARD: Could it be said that you are now more of a Kosovar than an Albanian?
Kurti: Of course I will always be Albanian by my nationality.
STANDARD: Yes, but if you want Serbia to recognise Kosovo as a state, then as a Kosovar you have to represent Kosovo.
Kurti: Of course. But I think Albania and Kosovo are two states, but one nation. It's like two of Germany. It's not like Germany and Austria.
STANDARD: So you are still in favour of unification with Albania?
Kurti: I think people would vote yes if there was a referendum. But the referendum is not allowed. So I will respect the Constitution until one day we will be able to change it peacefully and democratically. But that will not happen soon.
STANDARD: The Kosovo Constitution prohibits the merger or annexation to another state. Why should it be any different in twenty years?
Kurti: The purpose of these precautions was to make Kosovo's independence attractive to Serbia. They looked at the fact that there was no red in the flag and no black eagle. Our anthem has no text and is now called "Europe", which is a bit far-fetched.
STANDARD: You could write a text.
Kurti: In which language?
STANDARD: In both. You're always talking about one nation. But not only Albanians live in Kosovo. If you become a prime minister, will you also represent Serbs?
Kurti: Of course. And I think there will be Serbs, they will think that I am doing better than Mr. Vučić. (Adelheid Wölfl, 5.10.2019)
Albin Kurti (44) was one of the student leaders who led the protests against the autocratic and ethnocratic regime under Slobodan Milošević He was also sentenced to prison. Kurti founded the citizens' movement Vetëvendosje in 2004, which first became a party in 2011. In the 2017 elections he won the most votes as a single party for the first time.
https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000109454503/politiker-kurti-holt-uns-aus-der-patsche-und-bringt-uns
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Tako je, čita se sa Š, kao i Špigl i Štern.
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Ti se izgleda zalažeš da Pari mač postane Pari meč ili pak Pariz/Pariski meč.
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ovo mašinski prevod? da li je sređivan naknadno?
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Sam prevod nije diran osim što je prevedno iz tri ture pošto je ograničenje 5000 znakova i što je sređeno formatiranje.
Malo ljudi zna da je Deepl trenutno najbolji besplatno dostupan mašinski prevodilac zasnovan na veštačkoj inteligenciji, doduše zasad za prilično ograničeni skup jezika među kojima nema srpskog ni hrvatskog:
https://www.deepl.com/translator
Malo ljudi zna da je Deepl trenutno najbolji besplatno dostupan mašinski prevodilac zasnovan na veštačkoj inteligenciji, doduše zasad za prilično ograničeni skup jezika među kojima nema srpskog ni hrvatskog:
https://www.deepl.com/translator
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Kondo wrote:čuj prilično. njegova pozicija je full maksimalistička, granice kosova plus nikakve garancije za srpsku manjinu plus ratna odšteta. o čemu se tu tačno pregovara?
pa to gubitnicka strana u ratu koja je cinila zlocine i treba da placa, a milost ce dobiti koliko je i drugima davala. srbija je jos super prosla sta je sve radila po jugoslaviji.
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Ali zato imamo Vojvodinu i to je nesto. Dobro moze u Republika Srpska.
To je zato Stari Sade jer smo tako u mogucnosti.
To je zato Stari Sade jer smo tako u mogucnosti.
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Iz jednog starijeg Kurtijevog portreta iz Vremena:
https://www.vreme.com/cms/view.php?id=1228824
Vreme, 18.9.2014.
Pregovarač koji priznaje samo sud svoje nacije
Jovana Gligorijević
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BUNTOVNIK SA UNIVERZITETA: Albin Kurti je krajem devedesetih bio svojevrsna zvezda takozvane građanske Srbije i bloka koji je bio protiv režima Slobodana Miloševića. Zbog organizovanja studentskih demonstracija proveo je gotovo tri godine u zatvorima u Lipljanu i Požarevcu, po optužbama za terorizam. Bio je zvanični portparol albanskih studenata na Kosovu, a u tadašnjim intervjuima naglašavao je da njihove demonstracije "nisu političke i da nemaju ništa sa političkim partijama". List "Naša borba" odlikovao ga je krajem devedesetih ordenom za toleranciju, ali Kurti nije došao u Srbiju da primi nagradu.
Prvi put je uhapšen u oktobru 1997. godine, zbog organizovanja studentskih protesta na Univerzitetu u Prištini. U avgustu naredne godine zapošljava se u kabinetu Adema Demaćija, političkog lidera Oslobodilačke vojske Kosova. Za vreme NATO bombardovanja 1999. godine, Kurti je pokušao da napusti zemlju, kako su tada pisali mediji, preobučen u ženu, ali ga je srpska policija uhapsila. Kada su se u junu 1999. srpske snage povukle sa Kosova, Kurti se našao među nekoliko stotina albanskih zatvorenika koji su prebačeni na srpsku teritoriju, van Kosova. Konkretno, iz zatvora u Lipljanu prebačen je u Požarevac. U martu 2000, pred sudom u Nišu, osuđen je na 15 godina zatvora zbog ugrožavanja teritorijalnog integriteta Savezne Republike Jugoslavije i terorizma. Tokom suđenja, odbijao je odbranu, te poručio: "Meni može da sudi samo sud mog vlastitog naroda. Ne priznajem ovaj sud, ne priznajem Srbiju, ne priznajem Jugoslaviju." Na izricanju presude ostao je dosledan: "Nevažno je da li će te me osuditi i na koliko. Sve što sam radio, radio sam dobrovoljno i sa dostojanstvom. Ponosan sam na to, i kad bih mogao, ponovo bih sve isto učinio." Petnaestogodišnje robije spasao ga je pad Miloševićevog režima i međunarodni pritisak na novu vlast da što pre oslobodi sve zatvorenike sa etiketom "politički". Iz zatvora u Požarevcu oslobođen je 2001. godine.
U prvim godinama nakon izlaska iz zatvora nije se otvoreno politički angažovao, ali jeste bio prisutan u javnosti kao žestok kritičar međunarodne zajednice i UNMIK-a, i kao neko ko je stalno i uporno ukazivao na korupciju u kosovskim institucijama. Organizovao je proteste u znak podrške porodicama kosovskih Albanaca nestalih tokom ratnih sukoba i konstantno proklamovao važnost prava Kosova na samoodređenje i samoopredeljenje. U međuvremenu, 23. aprila 2003. doveo je do kraja studije prekinute političkim angažmanom i potonjim dešavanjima. Stekao je zvanje inženjera kompjuterskih i telekomunikacionih nauka na Elektrotehničkom fakultetu Univerziteta u Prištini. Za svo to vreme, bio je aktivista Mreže Akcija za Kosovo (Action for Kosovo Network, AKN), koja je osnovana još 1997. godine. Programski ciljevi ove organizacije bili su ljudska prava, socijalna pravda, kultura i umetnost.
BEZ PREGOVORA, SAMOOPREDELJENJE: U junu 2005, aktivisti AKN ispisali su grafit na nekolicini zgrada UNMIK-a: "Bez pregovora, samoopredeljenje!" Tako je nastao pokret Samoopredeljenje, ali je to je bio povod za hapšenje stotinak aktivista AKN-a, uključujući i Kurtija. Ovim grafitima, pokret Samoopredeljenje zahtevao je referendum o statusu Kosova, tvrdeći da se samo referendumom i upotrebom međunarodno priznatog prava na samoopredeljenje može naći demokratsko rešenje za Kosovo. Za pokret Samoopredeljenje, bilo kakva vrsta pregovora značila je kompromis sa slobodom.
Stalni protesti, incidenti i hapšenja obeležili su kako sam pokret Samoopredeljenje tako i političku biografiju Albina Kurtija. U februaru 2007. dvojica aktivista Samoopredeljenja poginula su, a još njih 80 je povređeno, kada su rumunski policajci UNMIK-a ispalili plastične i gumene metke na protestante koji su izazivali nerede. Sam Kurti je uhapšen. U pritvoru je ostao do jula, a onda je prebačen u kućni pritvor. Način na koji je uhapšen i zadržan kritikovan je od strane Amnesti internešenela i drugih organizacija za zaštitu ljudskih prava, zbog brojnih nepravilnosti tokom procesa. Na kraju je, 2010. godine, osuđen na devet meseci zatvora. Kurti je osuđen za "učešće u grupi koja je opstruirala zvanična lica u obavljanju svojih zvaničnih dužnosti". Ipak, ubrzo je pušten na slobodu jer je Okružni sud u Prištini uzeo u obzir vreme koje je već proveo u pritvoru. Sama presuda je u određenim krugovima, kako kosovskim tako i međunarodnim, učvrstila njegov status borca za ljudska prava i ikonu nenasilnog otpora.
No, jedna epizoda iz 2009. godine svedoči o tome da otpor Samoopredeljenja nije baš uvek bio nenasilan. U avgustu te godine, aktivisti Samoopredeljenja isprevrtali su tridesetak Euleksovih vozila, gnevni zbog činjenice da ova misija Evropske unije planira da sklopi sporazum sa srpskim Ministarstvom unutrašnjih poslova. Događaj je bacio ozbiljnu senku na sliku koju je Samoopredeljenje do tada imalo u javnosti, a osim toga, doveo je u pitanje i političku zrelost čitavog pokreta kao i samog njegovog lidera. Jedno od poslednjih hapšenja Albina Kurtija dogodilo se u januaru 2012. godine. Kosovska policija uhapsila ga je sa još nekoliko desetina pristalica Samoopredeljenja kod Merdara gde su izbili sukobi policije i demonstranata, koji su uprkos jakim snagama bezbednosti na putu između Podujeva i Merdara, blokirali saobraćaj za kamione natovarene robom iz centralne Srbije. Pre hapšenja Kurti je rekao da "postoje ljudi u Prištini kojima ne odgovara da Kosovo funkcioniše kao parlamentarna republika, jer imaju mnogo interesa kada je u pitanju uvoz, odnosno prodaja srpske robe". "Zapravo se čitava priča o uvozu srpske robe i nepristajanje zvaničnih organa Republike Kosova na reciprocitet, kada su u pitanju mere u vezi sa trgovinom dešavaju zbog toga što određeni krug ljudi u Prištini koji sedi u vladi, odlučuje o svemu u korist sopstvenih interesa", rekao je Kurti.
U proteklih godinu dana oštro je kritikovao pregovore Beograda i Prištine, kao i politiku srpskih zvaničnika, glasno se zalažući za bojkot proizvoda iz Srbije na Kosovu. Prema njegovom mišljenju, Briselski sporazum doneo je "veoma dobre rezultate Srbiji, a Kosovu nikakve". Nakon parlamentarnih izbora u Srbiji u martu 2014. rekao je da se njihov ishod "može nazvati homogenizacijom hegemonije", kao i da Srbija "želi da postane mala Rusija na Balkanu, a drugi da im budu sateliti". A onda se na kosovskim izborima ove godine dogodilo svojevrsno iznenađenje, kada je Samoopredeljenje osvojilo više od 13 odsto glasova i postalo važan faktor u kreiranju buduće strukture kosovske vlasti. Već tada je bilo jasno da bi takav ishod mogao da uzdrma političku dominaciju Demokratske partije Kosova i Hašima Tačija.
https://www.vreme.com/cms/view.php?id=1228824
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Ma dobro, vec je on prilicno promenio pesmu. Ljudi zaboravljaju zasto se politicari bave politikom in the first place. U 99% slucajeva. U onom 1 postotku su ili najveci zlikovci ili vrhunski državnici, ali to je jako retko.
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Creepy Uncle wrote:Amerika je postavila Kurtija da skine takse, Kosovo se priznaje do proleća. Nema narod ništa s tim.
Ako uporedimo rezultate, sada zbirno LVV (Samoopredeljenje) i LDK (Demokratski savez Kosova) imaju i manje glasova i manje mandata nego prošli put.
LVV i LDK su posle prošlih izbora zbirno imali 53%, LVV 27,5%, a LDK 25,5% i mogli su sami da naprave većinu jer su imali 61 poslanika od 120 (nakon čega je Pacolijeva stranka koja je bila na listi LDK preveslala Haradinaju, zahvaljujući čemu je napravio vladu uz saradnju Srpske liste, dok je LVV pocepan pa ostao sa 19 umesto 32 poslanika) za razliku od ovih - sada će izgleda po prvim proračunima u zbiru imati 59 mandata, LVV 30, a LDK 29 - po trenutnim rezultatima na 98% prebrojanih mesta LVV je na 25,6%, a LDK na 24,9%, dakle opet u zbiru preko 50%, ali ovaj put jedva.
To je zato što manjine imaju zagarantovane mandate pa onda albanske stranke koje žele da prave vladu moraju da imaju znatno preko 50% da bi mogle bez njih da prave koaliciju.
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https://www.rtklive.com/rtk2/?id=2&r=36367Prema prvim preliminarnim rezultatima, Pokret Samoopredeljenje, Aljbina Kurtija, imaće 30, a Demokratski savez Kosova 29 poslanika u parlamentu.
Na osnovu 95 odsto pregledanih glasačkih lista, očekuje se i da će donedavno vladajuća Demokratska partija Kosova, Kadrija Veseljija, koju je on nasledio od Hašima Tačija, kada je izabran za kosovskog predsednika, imati 26 poslanika.
Koalicija Alijanse za budućnost Kosova, bivšeg kosovskog premijera Ramuša Haradinaja i SDP, Špenta Ahmetija, imaće 14 poslanika, a NISMA, Fatmira Ljimaja, ako pređe cenzus, očekuje se da će imati šest poslanika, što bi moglo da utiče na smanjenje izbornog rezultata drugih albanskih stranaka, piše Bota sot.
Prema istim rezultatima Srpska lista je dobila 6,61 odsto glasova i imaće zagarantovanih 10 poslanika.
Kosovski parlament ima 120 poslanika.
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