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    evo celog teksta

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rally/


    On Saturday evening, Democratic congressional candidate Cori Bush held a rally in celebration of her birthday. Bush, who is running in the Aug. 7 primary against seven-term incumbent William “Lacy” Clay Jr. in Missouri’s First Congressional District (St. Louis), brought in some star power for the event: Democratic socialist and Bronx native Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    Over the years, I have attended my share of political events: tea party protests, a Rick Perry speech on tax cuts, a Ted Cruz rally, and even a speech given by President Donald Trump earlier this year. But nothing prepared me for the stark difference in tone.

    Bush’s rally packed a few hundred friends and activists into a bar called the Ready Room in St. Louis, and almost from the moment I walked through the door, I was surrounded by a group of women who were discussing over drinks the reasons they had gotten involved in politics — the two things they all had in common were anger and fear. One even said, “I just couldn’t stand being angry and afraid all the time.”

    As the rally kicked off, a series of invited guests took the stage, each sharing the reasons that they supported Bush. Several mentioned the Ferguson protests — which began after police officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014 — and recalled being tear-gassed and arrested alongside Bush.


    Others invoked the “Israeli occupation of Palestine” while still others told stories of “woke” grandchildren who asked over pancakes whether ICE was going to come and arrest them.

    One even praised the strength and dedication of convicted cop-killer Assata Shakur — while Ocasio-Cortez (who was waiting in the wings) and Bush nodded along.

    But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

    I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

    I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.

    Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.

    I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

    Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.

    I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there, but for the grace of God, go I.

    uh zamisli da padneš u takvu zamku, da pomisliš da tvoje dete ima pravo na lečenje ili školovanje a future to believe in - Page 2 3579118792 jednom kad se krene sa time, ne staje se do gulaga i polja smrti.
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    Post by Filipenko 2018-07-24, 10:11

    Dzordan Piterson je lepo upozorio da je to maoizam koji se zavrsava masovnim pogubljenjima, stranputica sa koje nema povratka.
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    Filipenko wrote:Dzordan Piterson je lepo upozorio da je to maoizam koji se zavrsava masovnim pogubljenjima, stranputica sa koje nema povratka.

    А зато они упорно мисле да је Русија још увек СССР.


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    Post by Erős Pista 2018-07-24, 10:24

    Creepy Uncle wrote:evo celog teksta

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rally/


    On Saturday evening, Democratic congressional candidate Cori Bush held a rally in celebration of her birthday. Bush, who is running in the Aug. 7 primary against seven-term incumbent William “Lacy” Clay Jr. in Missouri’s First Congressional District (St. Louis), brought in some star power for the event: Democratic socialist and Bronx native Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    Over the years, I have attended my share of political events: tea party protests, a Rick Perry speech on tax cuts, a Ted Cruz rally, and even a speech given by President Donald Trump earlier this year. But nothing prepared me for the stark difference in tone.

    Bush’s rally packed a few hundred friends and activists into a bar called the Ready Room in St. Louis, and almost from the moment I walked through the door, I was surrounded by a group of women who were discussing over drinks the reasons they had gotten involved in politics — the two things they all had in common were anger and fear. One even said, “I just couldn’t stand being angry and afraid all the time.”

    As the rally kicked off, a series of invited guests took the stage, each sharing the reasons that they supported Bush. Several mentioned the Ferguson protests — which began after police officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014 — and recalled being tear-gassed and arrested alongside Bush.


    Others invoked the “Israeli occupation of Palestine” while still others told stories of “woke” grandchildren who asked over pancakes whether ICE was going to come and arrest them.

    One even praised the strength and dedication of convicted cop-killer Assata Shakur — while Ocasio-Cortez (who was waiting in the wings) and Bush nodded along.

    But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

    I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

    I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.

    Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.

    I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

    Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.

    I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there, but for the grace of God, go I.

    uh zamisli da padneš u takvu zamku, da pomisliš da tvoje dete ima pravo na lečenje ili školovanje a future to believe in - Page 2 3579118792 jednom kad se krene sa time, ne staje se do gulaga i polja smrti.


    Autorka sasvim sigurno smatra da njena deca zaslužuju obrazovanje i zdravstveno osiguranje. Ono što je htela da kaže je, svakako, da to ne zaslužuju samom činjenicom da su deca, već po nekom drugom osnovu. Pokušavam međutim da smislim koji bi to osnov bio, i jedino što mi pada na pamet je zasluga njihovih roditelja, odnosno činjenica da su roditelji bili vredni radnici i dobri preduzetnici koji su svojoj deci obezbedili ove prilično elementarne stvari. E, sad, zašto bi sudbina dece bila određena zaslugama njihovih roditelja, i zašto je to manje ludo od pretpostavke da bi sva deca trebalo da imaju pristup ovim elementarnim dobrima, misterija je koju može razumeti samo konzervativni um.


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    Post by Erős Pista 2018-07-24, 10:28

    Ovo je isto jako. Aleksandrija kaže - ne delimo ljude po poreklu, rasi, polu, itd, a autorka zaključuje: "Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics".


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    Creepy Uncle wrote:evo celog teksta

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rally/


    On Saturday evening, Democratic congressional candidate Cori Bush held a rally in celebration of her birthday. Bush, who is running in the Aug. 7 primary against seven-term incumbent William “Lacy” Clay Jr. in Missouri’s First Congressional District (St. Louis), brought in some star power for the event: Democratic socialist and Bronx native Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

    Over the years, I have attended my share of political events: tea party protests, a Rick Perry speech on tax cuts, a Ted Cruz rally, and even a speech given by President Donald Trump earlier this year. But nothing prepared me for the stark difference in tone.

    Bush’s rally packed a few hundred friends and activists into a bar called the Ready Room in St. Louis, and almost from the moment I walked through the door, I was surrounded by a group of women who were discussing over drinks the reasons they had gotten involved in politics — the two things they all had in common were anger and fear. One even said, “I just couldn’t stand being angry and afraid all the time.”

    As the rally kicked off, a series of invited guests took the stage, each sharing the reasons that they supported Bush. Several mentioned the Ferguson protests — which began after police officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014 — and recalled being tear-gassed and arrested alongside Bush.


    Others invoked the “Israeli occupation of Palestine” while still others told stories of “woke” grandchildren who asked over pancakes whether ICE was going to come and arrest them.

    One even praised the strength and dedication of convicted cop-killer Assata Shakur — while Ocasio-Cortez (who was waiting in the wings) and Bush nodded along.

    But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

    I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

    I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.

    Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.

    I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

    Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.

    I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there, but for the grace of God, go I.

    uh zamisli da padneš u takvu zamku, da pomisliš da tvoje dete ima pravo na lečenje ili školovanje a future to believe in - Page 2 3579118792 jednom kad se krene sa time, ne staje se do gulaga i polja smrti.

    u nikakvu randovku je izrasla, nema sebičnosti već samo altruizma u korist plutokratije a future to believe in - Page 2 2304934895
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    Post by паће 2018-07-24, 10:53

    Gargantua wrote:u nikakvu randovku je izrasla, nema sebičnosti već samo altruizma u korist plutokratije a future to believe in - Page 2 2304934895

    Тренира се финоћа. Нећемо да спомињемо ружне и прљаве, само заслужне.


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    Post by Guest 2018-07-24, 10:56

    William Murderface wrote:
    Creepy Uncle wrote:evo celog teksta

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rally/




    uh zamisli da padneš u takvu zamku, da pomisliš da tvoje dete ima pravo na lečenje ili školovanje a future to believe in - Page 2 3579118792 jednom kad se krene sa time, ne staje se do gulaga i polja smrti.


    Autorka sasvim sigurno smatra da njena deca zaslužuju obrazovanje i zdravstveno osiguranje. Ono što je htela da kaže je, svakako, da to ne zaslužuju samom činjenicom da su deca, već po nekom drugom osnovu. Pokušavam međutim da smislim koji bi to osnov bio, i jedino što mi pada na pamet je zasluga njihovih roditelja, odnosno činjenica da su roditelji bili vredni radnici i dobri preduzetnici koji su svojoj deci obezbedili ove prilično elementarne stvari. E, sad, zašto bi sudbina dece bila određena zaslugama njihovih roditelja, i zašto je to manje ludo od pretpostavke da bi sva deca trebalo da imaju pristup ovim elementarnim dobrima, misterija je koju može razumeti samo konzervativni um.

    Tu se uvek dođe do klasnog esencijalizma. Siromasi vole da žive tako kako žive, svako može da zaradi za sapun, češalj i nekakvu kućicu u predgrađu i nekakav SUV, makar i bez dodatne opreme. Uvek u ovakvim tekstovima ima gromoglasne nedorečenosti koja je zapravo ustupak savremenom shvatanju pristojnosti. Danas se još uvek ne može sasvim otvoreno reći da deca iz siromašnih slojeva nemaju nikakvo pravo da koriste novac bogatih, i da bi ih trebalo prepustiti njihovoj sudbini ili nekakvim časnim sestrama. Ali implicitno je ova poruka potpuno jasna.
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    Post by zvezda je zivot 2018-07-24, 11:14

    rajan kuper (meni neubedljivo) odgovorio koriju robinu http://www.ryanlouiscooper.com/2018/07/russiagate-and-left-round-ii.html

    robinov tekst na koji je odgovorio http://coreyrobin.com/2018/07/23/the-question-of-russia-and-the-left-a-response-to-ryan-cooper/

    sve u svemu, tuzno stanje na americkoj levici


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    Post by Erős Pista 2018-07-24, 12:32

    Kuperov odgovor k'o da čitam Timotija Snajdera. Fascinantno je kako ti ljudi nisu u stanju da zamisle da je zaokret zapada udesno proizvod nekih inherentnih tenzija poznog kapitalizma i međunarodnog liberalnog poretka, nego moraju bukvalno svaki desničarski ispad da protumače ruskim mešanjem. Tog mešanja verovatno ima (nema sumnje da Putin huška, a bogami i šuška, evropske desničare), ama to je samo trešnjica na vrh torte. Nije Putin stvorio ni Orbana, ni Netanjahua, a sasvim sigurno nije stvorio Trampa.

    Jeste, Netanjahu se sreo s Putinom. Jel to najveći problem s Netanjahuom ili činjenica da raketira palestinska sela i ubija palestinsku decu? Rusi imali agenta u NRA, čuj jbt, a pre toga NRA bio grupica zabrinutih branitelja ustava.

    Hoću reći, ruska zavera ne objašnjava ništa što se već ne može objasniti na druge i ubedljivije načine. Njena analitička vrednost je nula. Samo pomaže da se porblemi eksternalizuju i pripišu nekom drugom. Kao i svaka zavera uostalom.

    Evo, sad vidim da na kraju i on govori o plutokratiji i neoliberalizmu kao o "internal problems that must be boldly attacked". Pa da. I šta će ti onda Russiagate koj kurac.


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    Post by паће 2018-07-24, 12:36

    Look! A distraction!


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    Post by zvezda je zivot 2018-07-24, 13:00




    kuper wrote:
    So one does not have to support starting nuclear war to be concerned about Russiagate. Indeed, given the rotten state of American democracy, attempting to go really hard at Putin might be a game not worth the candle. Instead the main objective ought to be securing American institutions — purging them of the corruption that allows someone like Putin to waltz in and get what he wants. The American government should be responsible to the American people.

    zamisli da se u amerikama ovo naziva levicom. samo da dodje elizabet voren da izbaci novce i putina iz politike i povratili smo americku demokratiju


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    Post by Guest 2018-07-24, 13:17

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    А зато они упорно мисле да је Русија још увек СССР.
    jedan od jačih primera u posl. vreme:

    Legendary comic Jackie Mason panned Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as “ignorant” over her anti-Israel comments and “to the left” of Russian President Vladimir Putin because of her domestic platform.

    Calling her to the left doesn’t even tell her story,” jested Mason. “She makes Putin look like he is on the right. She’s to the left of Putin."

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    Post by Erős Pista 2018-07-24, 13:22

    wat


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    Post by паће 2018-07-24, 13:37

    У непосредној вези са стварношћу колико и дечија игра. Ако смо се договорили да су врата између она два камена, а ти прођеш мимо, сви знају да си прошао кроз зид и једнако вичу на тебе. Док игра траје, ту и јесу врата а лево и десно је зид.

    Ал' деца то забораве кад заврше игру. А ови јок, све и даље значи оно што код њих значи, и као да приде сваки час још мало мењају правила.


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    Post by Gargamel 2018-07-24, 15:51

    zvezda je zivot wrote:rajan kuper (meni neubedljivo) odgovorio koriju robinu http://www.ryanlouiscooper.com/2018/07/russiagate-and-left-round-ii.html

    robinov tekst na koji je odgovorio http://coreyrobin.com/2018/07/23/the-question-of-russia-and-the-left-a-response-to-ryan-cooper/
    qrcu pesma na obe strane. Robin se u pitanjima spoljne politike drži praznih fraza, Kuper očito ne zna puno o spoljnoj politici.
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    Post by disident 2018-07-25, 13:10

    kek
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    Post by Xexoxical Endarchy 2018-07-25, 13:23

    sounds like a lefty/liberal trol. ne postoji desnicar na svetu koji koristi identity politics tacno kako su ga lefties zamislili.


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    Post by Erős Pista 2018-07-25, 13:25

    Ma naravno.


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    Post by disident 2018-07-25, 13:46

    Ih kad se izgubila ta tanka crvena linija izmedju stvarnosti,trolovanja,dvostrukog trolovanja #postmoderna

    Mora jedna tema za altrajt,forchan,internet ratnike i fake news


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    Post by паће 2018-07-25, 13:49

    disident wrote:
    Mora jedna tema za altrajt,forchan,internet ratnike i fake news

    Јел' се у лажне вести рачуна и кад тзв. озбиљне новине пренесу нешто са њуз.нета, ањона или тако неке зајебанције, као да је стварно?


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    Post by disident 2018-07-25, 13:51

    Brate kod mene ti je sve dozvoljeno, no god, no master, no mods


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    Post by паће 2018-07-25, 14:55

    Ма питам за дефиницију, да ли се иначе броји или не. Јер колико интуитивно контам, лажне вести су кад неко намерно кења, пушта буву, фантазира, ботује итд. А ово је омашка главе, мозак на резерви, пали на гурање гаси на дување, тј нема намере него 1 јебигица.


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    Post by Летећи Полип 2018-07-25, 23:32

    Lol, kako prckaju na kvarno ovu malu Španjolku.


    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-several-counts-abou/


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