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Post by Kinder Lad on Sun May 28, 2017 2:42 am

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Post by Gargantua on Sun May 28, 2017 9:31 am

Theresa May retains a 12-point lead in a ComRes opinion poll for The Independent – a finding that will steady Conservative nerves after a YouGov poll on Friday showed the lead narrowing to just five points. 
Despite growing support for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn, notably over social care, the Conservatives are on 46 per cent and Labour on 34 per cent. Labour is up four points from the last ComRes poll two weeks ago, and the Conservatives down two, but the figures suggest Ms May is still heading for a majority of about 110.
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Post by ostap bender on Sun May 28, 2017 9:33 am

zasto ljudi glasaju torijevce? strong and stable uveli zemlju u krizu, zele da otimaju nekretnine od dementnih i beze od debate.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sun May 28, 2017 9:49 am

Pa dobro, imaju oni svoje tradicionalne glasace koji glasaju Tory stagod. Lomi se u onom fluidnom delu. A taj fluidni deo ce retko gde jasno cuti ili procitati da su Torijevci "uveli zemlju u krizu"


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Post by William Murderface on Sun May 28, 2017 10:59 am

ostap bender wrote:zasto ljudi glasaju torijevce? strong and stable uveli zemlju u krizu, zele da otimaju nekretnine od dementnih i beze od debate.

As a student I sometimes whiled away the longueurs in the library with A Humument by Tom Phillips. It’s a redacted version of the sentimental Victorian novel A Human Document, with much of the text blotted out, and doodles by Phillips. Much later, following his inspiration, I set to work on Tony Blair: A Journey, the ex-PM’s remainder-friendly mea minima culpa. ‘To Bar a Jury’ remains a work in progress, not least because of the boredom of actually reading before deciding what to paintbrush out; one technique is to remove all words but ‘I’, which still leaves a fairly densely printed page.

Theresa May’s election manifesto invites the Phillips treatment or similar. It’s mildly amusing to take an editable version of the file and auto-replace, say, ‘strong’ (113 occurrences including ‘strength’) with ‘crap’, ‘stable’ (20) with ‘stale’ or ‘work’ (a staggering 208) with ‘shirk’, in a bid to subvert the pitiless mom-and-shoofly-pie platitudes. The political uses of boredom are manifold, but intentionally reducing one’s audience to stupefied ennui generally serves a conservative end: it meets dissent, whether radical or mildly demurring, not with reasoned rebuttal, but the burring ostinato of banality.

The pallor of its language apart, the manifesto’s content, such as it is, seems likewise aimed at dulling rather than meeting critique. It identifies ‘five giant challenges’ that the country faces, the implication being that their gigantism is such that only May’s crap and stale leadership can face them down. They are the need for a strong economy, the Brexit farrago, social divisions, the fact that as we get older we don’t get any younger, and all that hi-tech internet stuff (on which the manifesto doesn’t have much to offer apart from seeing it as a threat that May will protect us from).
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Post by Kinder Lad on Sun May 28, 2017 11:06 am

 the fact that as we get older we don’t get any younger



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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun May 28, 2017 1:54 pm

Radio sam kviz na Mirroru za koga da glasam, kaže Liberal Democrat.
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Post by ostap bender on Sun May 28, 2017 2:39 pm

to samo ako zelis jos jednu torijevsku vladu


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun May 28, 2017 2:58 pm

to je po preferencijama, što je verovatno negde i tačno. naravno da bih inače glasao kontra torijevaca.


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Post by Filipenko on Sun May 28, 2017 3:24 pm

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:Radio sam kviz na Mirroru za koga da glasam, kaže Liberal Democrat.







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Post by Xexoxical Endarchy on Sun May 28, 2017 3:35 pm

filipovi postovi postaju uzasno hermeticni - sa ovom jednom slikom staljina istovremeno kropovanom u avatar, smiley i jojs meme pride

mogu misliti kako ovo deluje newcomerima ili tehnoloski unsavvy osobama


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Post by beatakeshi on Sun May 28, 2017 4:15 pm

Kad bi pisao na ruskom (ili  bar gruzinskom), to bi pojačalo efekat.
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Post by Filipenko on Sun May 28, 2017 5:15 pm

Xexoxical Endarchy wrote:filipovi postovi postaju uzasno hermeticni - sa ovom jednom slikom staljina istovremeno kropovanom u avatar, smiley i jojs meme pride

mogu misliti kako ovo deluje newcomerima ili tehnoloski unsavvy osobama





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Post by Filipenko on Sun May 28, 2017 5:17 pm

Valjda je ideja da ljudi osete humor, šalu, dobro raspoloženje, da ih dočekuju vesela lica i osmesi...




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Post by Gargantua on Mon May 29, 2017 12:02 am

Intelligence officers have identified 23,000 jihadist extremists living in Britain as potential terrorist attackers, it emerged yesterday.

The scale of the challenge facing the police and security services was disclosed by Whitehall sources after criticism that multiple opportunities to stop the Manchester bomber had been missed.

About 3,000 people from the total group are judged to pose a threat and are under investigation or active monitoring in 500 operations being run by police and intelligence services. The 20,000 others have featured in previous inquiries and are categorised as posing a “residual risk”.

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Post by Zuper on Mon May 29, 2017 4:43 pm

MAY: CAN'T BUILD A COHESIVE SOCIETY IF IMMIGRATION TOO HIGH
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Post by Gargantua on Mon May 29, 2017 9:17 pm

British intelligence agency MI5 was reportedly warned by its US counterpart that Salman Abedi was planning an attack on UK soil, three months before he blew himself up outside an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester.

FBI agents are said to have informed British officials that the 22-year-old was part of a North African Islamic State cell based in the north west of England that was plotting an attack in the UK.

Abedi was reportedly placed on a US terrorist watch list in 2016 after he came to the attention of intelligence agencies during an investigation into terrorist groups operating in Libya.

“In early 2017 the FBI told MI5 that Abedi belonged to a North African terror gang based in Manchester, which was looking for a political target in this country," a security source told The Mail on Sunday.

“The information came from the interception of his communications by US federal agents, who had been investigating Abedi since the middle of 2016, and from information unearthed in Libya, where his family was linked to terrorist groups.

“Following this US tip-off, Abedi and other members of the gang were scrutinised by MI5. It was thought at the time that Abedi was planning to assassinate a political figure. But nothing came of this investigation and, tragically, he slipped down the pecking order of targets.”
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Post by William Murderface on Mon May 29, 2017 9:21 pm

Au.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 29, 2017 9:23 pm

A pazi sad ovo, objavljuju slike da se ljudi paze plavog kofera koji je navodno Abedi ostavio negde



lebe mekani, kakav intelligence and security.


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Post by Gargantua on Mon May 29, 2017 9:27 pm

aj kad sam na toj temi (terorizam), iz svedočenja gordona bardoša pred kongresnim komitetom za spoljnu politiku pre 10ak dana:


Confronting the Islamist Extremist Threat in the Balkans

Finally, one of the most serious threats confronting the Balkans (and, indeed, Europe as a whole) is the growth and spread of indigenous Islamist militant movements.

The importance of the Balkans in the international jihadi movement is evident from the frequency with which a Balkan connection can be made to almost every terrorist incident in Europe. Consider, for instance, the following: Anis Amri, the perpetrator of the December 2016 Berlin Christmas Market massacre, had been a roommate of Boban Simeonovic, a Serbian-German extremist well-known in Germany’s jihadist circles. Among the individuals who have transited through or set up shop in southeastern Europe have been Abdelilah Himich, the suspected ISIS mastermind of the November 2015 Paris and the March 2016 Brussels attacks.31 The man who took credit for the January 2015 Charlie Hebdo attacks, Nasser bin Ali Ansi, was a veteran of the Bosnian jihad in the 1990s and subsequently became a leader of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Mourad Hamyd (a brother-in-law of Charlie Hebdo attacker Cherif Kouachi), was arrested on the Turkish-Bulgarian border after making his way through the Balkans from Paris, apparently on his way to the Islamic State. The ringleader of the later November 2015 Paris atrocities, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, directed preparatory work for the attacks from Athens, and Salah Abdeslam, Ahmad al Muhammad (an alias) and one other suicide-bomber used the migrant’s Balkan route to get to France. Atatűrk Airport attack mastermind Akhmad Chatayev had been arrested in Bulgaria in 2011, and Ansbach suicide-bomber Mohammed Daleel had lived in Bulgaria in 2013. Mirsad Bektašević, a Serbian-Swedish terrorist involved in a 2005 plot to launch suicide-bombing attacks against western embassies in Sarajevo, was arrested in Greece en route to the Islamic State in January 2016.32

Indigenous Balkan extremists have been plotting attacks of their own, and developing their own ISIS-recruiting networks. In December 2015, Italian and Kosovo police discovered a group of four Kosovars (some with reported links to Syria) planning to kill Pope Francis.33 In November 2016, 19 individuals were arrested in Kosovo after the discovery of a plot to carry out a series of “synchronized terrorist attacks” in Albania and Kosovo, tied to coincide with a World Cup qualifying match played in Elbasan, Albania, in which the Israeli and Albanian national teams were to play. There were indications that in addition to attacking the Israeli national team, the conspirators were also planning on attacking a number of Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries across Kosovo.34 In January 2017, 800 Austrian police launched raids in Vienna and Graz against a Balkan-based Islamist network linked to Ebu Tejma, an extremist cleric from the Sandžak involved in the recruitment of over 150 ISIS volunteers.35 In March 2017, Italian police arrested three individuals from Kosovo plotting to blow up the Rialto Bridge in Venice. One of the individuals had been to Syria, and the group had studied ISIS instructional videos intended to train people in bombmaking techniques and how to stab people.

Apart from being the natural gateway and thoroughfare for jihadis intent on attacking Europe, the Balkans have also become a significant source of manpower for the Islamic State and/or the Al Nusra Front. Official estimates suggest that approximately 1000 individuals from the Balkans have joined the Syrian and Iraqi jihads,37 and it is widely believed that Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo have provided more jihad volunteers per capita than any other countries in Europe.38 Several dozen individuals from Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and other Balkan states have also become jihad volunteers.

Comparing these numbers with extremist mobilization in the EU reveals the worrying levels to which militant Islamism has grown in southeastern Europe. The Soufan Group, for instance, has estimated that western European (i.e., EU countries) with a total population of some 510 million people, have provided some 5000+ jihad volunteers.40 By way of comparison, the western Balkan states (i.e., Albania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia) with a combined population of some 20 million, have provided some 1000, which suggests that western Balkan countries are generating four-to five-times more jihad volunteers per capita than EU states.

Analysts across the region, however, suggest that the real number of Balkan jihad volunteers could be significantly higher than official figures. Some estimates claim that Kosovo alone may have provided as many as 1000 ISIS recruits,41 and Albanian security specialist Ilir Kulla has suggested that the number of jihad volunteers from the region could be “in the thousands” if one includes individuals from the Balkan diaspora.42 Aida Skorupan, a Montenegrin journalist tracking the Islamist extremist movement in her country, believes the number of Montenegrin jihad volunteers is significantly higher than the estimate of thirty or so individuals usually used.43

Unfortunately, these numbers are only the tip of the extremist iceberg in southeastern Europe. As security specialist Adrian Shtuni has noted, the Balkan jihad volunteers going off to Syria and Iraq constitute “merely a fraction of an extensive network of like-minded militants, supporters, and enablers who not only openly share the same ideology, but are also actively engaged in its dissemination and recruitment efforts through physical and virtual social networks.”44

Although hard data on the actual size of the Balkan militant Islamist movement is difficult to come by, one indicator of the pool of individuals psychologically and politically predisposed to ISIS’ message and activities can be seen in the results of the Pew Research Center’s 2012 survey of Muslim public opinion around the world.45 Although in general the Balkan Muslim populations can be seen as the most moderate and tolerant Muslim societies in the world, nevertheless a cluster of questions within the survey provided disturbing evidence of the progress of radicalization within the Balkans. Thus, in response to questions on the desirability of imposing sharia law, on support for suicide bombing and other forms of violence, on support for public whippings and cutting off the hands of alleged thieves, on stoning accused adulterers to death, on imposing the death penalty for apostasy, and on the moral acceptability of polygamy ----- some 400,000 people across Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo expressed their support for all of these things. In the Sandžak, a May 2016 survey found that twenty percent of those interviewed believe that the use of violence is legitimate to defend one’s religion, eleven percent believe it is acceptable to go to a foreign country to wage war, and over 35% claimed that there were individuals or groups in their area who express extremist positions.46 Such numbers suggest that some five- to ten-percent of the Balkans’ Muslim populations have become radicalized. Although not all of these people should be considered active threats, they do, to paraphrase Mao Zedong, provide the proverbial sea terrorists swim in.

The Balkans also play an important role in the European terrorist threat matrix as a source of armaments. Thanks to the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s and Albania’s near-meltdown in 1997-98, jihadis can obtain practically whatever weapons they might want in southeastern Europe’s black market arms bazaars. A rocket launcher and ammunition used in the Charlie Hebdo attack in January 2015 were manufactured in the Balkans, and guns used in the attack on the Bataclan Theater in November 2015 were AK-47s produced by Zastava of Serbia. Guns and ammunition used in the March 2016 Brussels attacks have also been traced to the former Yugoslavia, and Balkan arms smugglers have in some of these cases been implicated in helping the terrorists obtain their weapons.47 In July 2016, an Albanian couple was arrested on suspicion of providing weapons to Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, the “ISIS soldier” who killed 84 people in a truck attack along Nice’s seaside promenade.48 There is also cause for concern due to the fact that the hundreds of foreign jihadis who remained in Bosnia after the war were never forced to give up their weapons.49 Balkan weapons and ammunition go in the other direction as well. Armament Research Services (ARES) has found that 17% of the ammunition used by ISIS in parts of Iraq come from the Balkans.

What should be of particular concern to western intelligence and security organizations, as security analyst Ebi Spahiu has warned, is the degree to which Balkan militant Islamists can (or have) established ties with southeastern Europe’s flourishing organized crime networks, which are amply skilled in human trafficking, and drugs and weapons smuggling.51 Indeed, given the current state of the Balkans it would not be difficult to put together all of the elements needed to make everyone’s nightmare scenario—Islamist terrorists acquiring nuclear weapons—come true. At least three times over the past five years, the FBI has helped to thwart efforts to sell nuclear and radioactive material in Moldova.52 We have been lucky so far, but the combination of weapons-grade uranium on the black market, organized crime groups skilled in smuggling, weak, unprotected borders, and terror groups with known ambitions to acquire nuclear weapons should be a loud wake-up call to everyone concerned.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 29, 2017 9:32 pm

jbg, Kosovom ne mogu da se bave, Sandžakom ne smeju.

a uz to verovatno ne bi ni umeli.

iz kog razloga je tako visok procenat regruta ISIS sa Kosova, BiH i Sandžaka?


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Post by паће on Mon May 29, 2017 9:35 pm

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:jbg, Kosovom ne mogu da se bave, Sandžakom ne smeju.

a uz to verovatno ne bi ni umeli.

iz kog razloga je tako visok procenat regruta ISIS sa Kosova, BiH i Sandžaka?

Ваљда су то деца муџахедина који су пре две деценије добили држављанство у БиХ? Бар за тај део би то било неко објашњење.


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Post by Filipenko on Mon May 29, 2017 9:36 pm

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:iz kog razloga je tako visok procenat regruta ISIS sa Kosova, BiH i Sandžaka?


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