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Vesti iz ekonomje

Post by Zuper on Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:53 pm

Da pocnem u cajtgajstu.



Dve zapadne kopmanije medju 10 najvecih izviznika tzv. pametnih telefona, 6 kineskih i dve korejske.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:40 pm

Postoje li smartfonovi koji se prave u Evropi? Ili makar da je kompanija evropska? Alcatel?


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Post by Filipenko on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:56 pm

Samo Yotaphone u Rusiji  



Alcatel je brend koji je prodat TCL-u, kineskoj kompaniji koja pravi te telefone u Huižuu u Kini, a R&D postrojenja ima i u Pekingu, Šenženu, Šangaju, Čengduu...

Ne postoje fabrike za proizvodnju telefona u Evropi. Jebiga, ekološki standardi, valja nam pljuckati po zagađenju vazduha u Kini sa bezbedne razdaljine i zgražavati se nad uništenim koralima dok gigantski pomorski transporteri dovlače gaće, kompjutere, usisivače, veš mašine...

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Post by Zuper on Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:58 pm

Koliko znam, Alcatel(mobile device brand) je u vecinskom vlasnistvu kineske TCL Corporation. Tako da nema Salim se, ima ih, ali je ceo lanac proizvodnje u Aziji i odatle se kupuje roba(procesori, ekrani itd.) i sklapa. Imas puno proizvodjaca(sklapaca) u Rusiji, Nemackoj, Britaniji ali su smesni sto se tice kolicine prodaje i ne mogu da pariraju Kinezima ili Korejancima u ceni.

It appears that Apple is giving out top secrets and arming our biggest enemies with state-of-the-art technologies that can diminish our competitiveness. Foxconn, Apple’s biggest supplier, which assembles the iPhones mostly in its facilities in China, has installed robots (nicknamed Foxbots) for the first time to meet its iPhone production quotas.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Koje su to nemačke i britanske kompanije?


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Post by Zuper on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:17 pm

Telefunken u Nemackoj, koji koristi procesore iz Tajvana.
Kazam u UK
Yotaphone u Rusiji.

Svi nabavljaju delove iz Azije i onda montiraju.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:19 pm

ok hvala

ajd kad sam već tu...

kakvi su Polaroid tableti? ko su uopšte oni?


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Post by Gargantua on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:41 pm

^^ Ima i Philips android telefone, samo ne znam gde ih pravi, a ni gde ih prodaje, ima ih na ruskom tržištu ali ne znam za EU.
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Post by паће on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:43 pm

Аман јебо вас имагинарни пријатељ неписмене - ви све о привреди. Ово је тема о економији, дакле најновија научна достигнућа, занимљиви научни радови и то. Остав.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:45 pm

Televizore znam da prave u Poljskoj... baš ću pogledati. Namerio sam da kupim telefon EU proizvodnje (ili makar da je EU kompanija). Zapravo sam rešio da inače kupujem EU robu kad god je to moguće.


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Post by  on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:31 pm

Taj voz je napustio stanicu.
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Post by Utvara on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:41 pm

Mark Blyth je govorio o tome : Danas su linije snabdevanja (supply chain) namerno razbijene na više država.
Štrajk stoga ne postoji kao tehnika borbe - ako nećete vi, radnici iz Francuske da radite, ima ko hoće u Poljskoj, i to za trećinu plate.
Tako je i sa visokom tehnologijom - dizajnerske kuće dizajniraju procesore i arhitekture, onda neka kineska firma licencira arhitekturu i dizajnira System On a Chip, onda fabrika #1 proizvodi čip, onda proizvođač mobilnog dizajnira mobilni, a sklapa ga fabrika #2.
Horizontalna organizacija : ako jedan segment proizvodnje ispadne iz lanca, uvek ga je moguće zameniti drugim.

Dešava se da norveška firma dizajnira čip koji proizvodi kineska firma a finalni proizvod se sklapa u Americi.

U Srbiji se sklapa neki Tesla tablet.

Ranije je to sve bilo vertikalno integrisano, jedna firma je upravljala celim procesom od A do Š.

Ne postoji prepreka da se jedan proizvod u celosti proizvodi u Evropi, ali za sada je takva praksa samo za ekstra skupe mašine, fabričku i mernu opremu sa dodatom vrednosti, namenjenu drugim industrijama, i vojnu opremu, čiji lanac snabdevanja ne sme da se razbija iz političkih i bezbednosnih razloga.
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Post by Gargantua on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:43 pm

@melchett

Kupi srpski Fox, kao ja 
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Post by Gargantua on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:55 pm

Melchett wrote:Postoje li smartfonovi koji se prave u Evropi? Ili makar da je kompanija evropska? Alcatel?

Ajd još i ovo - Nokia (kao mobilni brend) je u vlasništvu finskog HMD Global-a, ima paar android modela (novih novcatih) ali su oni sada namenjeni prvenstveno kineskom tržištu a valjda ih i Foxconn pravi.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:58 pm

nema to ovde, kupio sam holandski Philips TV napravljen u Poljskoj.

kasno možda jeste ali jebiga


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Post by Zuper on Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:09 pm

Trump administration would ignore WTO rulings it sees as anti-U.S.: FT
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-wto-idUSKBN16832U

U.S. President Donald Trump's administration is preparing to ignore any rulings by the World Trade Organization that it sees as an affront to U.S. sovereignty, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday, citing a report prepared by officials.

The draft document, due to be sent to the U.S. Congress on Wednesday, marks the first time the new administration has laid out its trade plans in writing, the Times said.

"Ever since the United States won its independence, it has been a basic principle of our country that American citizens are subject only to laws and regulations made by the U.S. government -- not rulings made by foreign governments or international bodies," the report said, according to the Times.

"Accordingly, the Trump administration will aggressively defend American sovereignty over matters of trade policy," the report said, according to the Times.

The Wall Street Journal, which also said it reviewed the document, said the policy represents a dramatic departure from the Obama administration, which emphasized international economic rules and the authority of the WTO, a body that regulates trade and resolves disputes among its members.

By contrast, the Trump administration will more assertively defend U.S. sovereignty over trade policy, ramp up enforcement of U.S. trade laws, and use "all possible sources of leverage to encourage other countries to open up their markets," the document said, according to the Journal.

The White House did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

Congress requires the president to submit the administration's trade policy annually by March 1.

In the face of Republican concerns, a congressional aide said language in the draft challenging the WTO could still be toned down in a final, public version, the Journal reported.


Washington is facing several important WTO decisions, particularly involving China. Potentially the most important is a WTO complaint filed in December by Beijing against the EU and the United States for blocking China's request to be treated as a "market economy" under the institution's rules.

A final ruling could still be years away. But were the U.S. to ignore a finding in China's favor it could have major consequences for the WTO as a venue for resolving trade disputes before they fester into destructive trade wars, the Times said.
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Post by паће on Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:42 pm

СТО игра прљаво, и то често баш у корист Амера (сетимо се гурања ГМО и фармафије), а с времена на време опампрче и по њима да намире остале. Јер шта, држава плати казну а фирме терају по своме, свима добро.
Е сад нас чека још прљавије.


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Post by Zuper on Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:04 pm

China to Take WTO Case Against EU on Anti-Dumping Duties

Kako EU i SAD pokusavaju da stite svoje trziste:

Commission exploring how to protect EU steel market from China wrote:
It doesn’t look good for Beijing. Brussels and Washington still refuse to recognise China as a market economy and the Commission has proposed legislation that completely changes the rules for EU trade with third countries. EURACTIV Czech Republic partner Aktuálně.cz reports.
The United States and the European Union are trying to protect their markets against cheap Chinese exports. They are mostly concentrating their attention on the steel industry. In February, the US imposed customs duties on Chinese steel imports ranging from 63 to 190%. The EU then burdened some Chinese steel products with taxes amounting to 30–65 %.
Last December, China’s fifteen-year exemption from the Accession Protocol to the World Trade Organisation (WTO) expired. It allowed other members to use special methods to calculate anti-dumping protectionist measures.
As a result, states were able to impose much higher duties, for example, on Chinese products, thus protecting their markets from cheap imports – and dumping. However, this could change with the acquisition of market status. More than 90 countries have already acknowledged China’s market status.

The Commission proposes a new approach
The European Commission, though, has come up with a different approach. It has proposed new legislation that no longer divides countries according to market and non-market economies. If the new legislation is passed, the EU will be able to continue to impose protectionist measures against China and the question of whether it assigns China market status will have no meaning.
According to the new rules, the EU would no longer assess countries as a whole but would focus on the individual markets in those countries. If malpractice or free trade were discovered in any of them, there would be no problem in raising customs duties or non-tariff barriers.
So far the Commission’s proposal has not faced any great resistance among the member states. So it seems that the end of the division into market and non-market economies appeals to individual governments.
“I agree that we have to find a way how to protect steelmakers, ceramic industry and other sectors against the Chinese dumping. Especially when we see the policy of the United States towards China,” Czech ANO 2011 MEP Dita Charanzová (ALDE) also said.
“The proposal by the Commission is a good way to go. But it must be further fine-tuned so that it really gives guarantees to these sectors,” she stressed.

The European Parliament is also in favour of greater protection
Heated discussions regarding the granting of market status to China took place in the EU throughout the whole of 2016. Not only MEPs but also European industry, for the most part, was strongly opposed to the EU considering this Asian superpower as a market economy.
“All the evidence clearly shows that China is not a market economy. There is no reason why the European Union should act this way with China. On the contrary, it should use all the instruments it has to defend itself against unfair competition and protect its industry and jobs,” said the German MEP Reinhard Bütikofer (Greens/EFA).
UK Labour MEP David Martin (S&D) was even more radical.
“We have to insist on improving and strengthening the protection of our trade against imports from China. European manufacturers cannot wait any longer. We have to act now. If we don’t, soon there will be no industry in the EU for us to protect,” he said.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/eu-exploring-how-to-protect-its-markets-from-china/

Ovde se otvara nekoliko pitanja koja se ticu i Srbije:

1) Sta se desava kada damping iz EU preplavi poljoprivredno trziste Srbije? Kao sto je slucaj sa mlekom.

2) Kako to da jedna netrzisna ekonomija ima tako visoke stope rasta u poslednjih 35 godina? Na zapadu, u ekonomskoj istoriji nema nista sto se moze porediti sa kineskim rastom poslednjih 35 godina.

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Post by Zuper on Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:51 pm

Japan dismisses US accusation of protectionism

Tokyo has rejected Washington's demand for wider access to the Japanese car market, raising doubts the US government will quickly find agreement in talks over auto and agriculture imports scheduled for next month.

If pressed on agriculture, Japan could fall back on some parts of the TPP agreement, according to some economists.
"The US would like to increase agriculture exports, but Japan has already made some concessions for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. If the United States uses taxes to curb auto imports, that would severely damage Japan's auto industry. I hope this can be avoided," said Daiju Aoki, an economist at UBS Securities.
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Post by Filipenko on Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:22 pm

Ništa, tu je uvek Kina i njena verzija TPPa koja će garantovano staviti naglasak na fer trgovini. 

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Post by Zuper on Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:13 pm

Slobodna trgovina nikada nije postojala kako ljudi zamisljaju, mozes da pitas Kineze i Britance-Opijumski ratovi. "Vek sramote" kako Kinezi to zovu.



Da se konkreno vratim na Japan i SAD-Plaza ugovor 1985, pocetak pucanja japanske ekonomije jer su Ameri rekli-dosta.
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Post by Filipenko on Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:16 pm

Zuper wrote:Slobodna trgovina nikada nije postojala kako ljudi zamisljaju, mozes da pitas Kineze i Britance-Opijumski ratovi. "Vek sramote" kako Kinezi to zovu.


Jel? 

Da li možda trebam da ostavljam više smajlija kako bi se shvatila parodičnost ironije mojih postova vezano za to divno doba kada su svi imali slobodu izbora, pa Afrikanci dolazili u Novi Svet u potpalubljima brodova u potrazi za srećom?  (™ by Ben Carson)
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Post by паће on Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:56 am

Слободна трговина постоји само у случајевима кад неки мој комшија, например, на капију окачи цедуљу "ЈАЈА", или кад неко да мали оглас да продаје нешто.

Све остало има спољне услове који утичу. Чак и зелена пијаца - тамо имаш услове саме пијаце, пијачарину, шта сме шта не сме да се продаје, хигијенске услове за месо и млеко, навраћају инспекције, постоје они који продају један дан у недељи и они који су тамо сваког дана (кад онда производе? - па, не производе они) и већ ту нису сви у истом положају.

А док дођемо до дућанчета на ћошку, ту већ има завртања руку и ушију, а већ код самоуслуге, ланаца итд, ту већ не умем да смислим сликовито поређење. Довољно је само да се сетимо да постоје мрчандајзери.


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Post by Zuper on Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:53 pm

Ne znam koliko je istina ali ako jeste moze dosta da znaci za Srbiju:

Todorić već razrešen? Sberbanka preuzima nadzor Agrokora
http://rs.n1info.com/a235561/Biznis/Sberbanka-preuzima-nadzor-Agrokora.html
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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:50 pm

Agrokor ne može da opstane, dug je prevelik. Ovaj kredit od 60 miliona evra nije dovoljan ni za refinansiranje kamata. Prodavaće ga parče po parče.

Postoji tu samo jedna olakšavajuća stvar, a to je visina duga. Da je dug 100 miliona evra, problem bi bio Agrokorov. Dug od 2 milijarde evra nije uopšte problem Agrokora, nego banaka. To je jedini detalj koji može da mu poprilično produži život.

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