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Čini mi se da je ovo promaklo, a bitno je, za početak simbolički, a posle - nebo je granica...





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China Officially Sets Up Its First Overseas Base in Djibouti

China sends military personnel to its new base, designed to support Chinese missions in Africa and the Middle East.

By Charlotte Gao
July 12, 2017
 
 
On July 11, China officially dispatched military personnel to set up its first-ever overseas base in Djibouti, the small country in East Africa.
While foreign media call the new facility a “military” base, China instead calls it a “support base,” which “will ensure China’s performance of missions, such as escorting, peace-keeping, and humanitarian aid in Africa and west Asia,” according to Xinhua, China’s news agency.

In the early morning of July 11, China held an official ceremony in the port of Zhanjiang, south China’s Guangdong province. The commander of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), Shen Jinlong, “read an order on constructing the base in Djibouti, and conferred military flag on the fleets.” Then Shen ordered, “Set off!” and the ships carrying Chinese military personnel departed the port, reported Xinhua.

In addition to its basic supporting role, the Djibouti base will also perform other functions including “military cooperation, joint exercises, evacuating and protecting overseas Chinese and emergency rescue, as well as jointly maintaining security of international strategic seaways,” said Xinhua.
Regarding China’s reasons for establishing the “support base,” Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi explained that it is meant to help “maintain [China’s] growing overseas interests.”

In an annual press conference held during the 12th National People’s Congress held on March 8, 2016, Wang Yi elaborated on China’s construction in Djibouti:
Like any growing powers, China’s interests are constantly expanding overseas. At present, there are 30,000 Chinese enterprises all over the world… An urgent task for China’s diplomacy is to maintain the growing overseas interests. How to maintain? I would like to tell you clearly that China will never go through the expansion path of the traditional powers, nor will China pursue hegemony. We want to explore a path with Chinese characteristics that both follows the trend of the times and is welcomed by all parties.

Thus, “according to the objective needs and in response to the wishes of the related country,” China will establish some necessary facilities, like its support base in Djibouti. “This is not only reasonable, but also in line with international practice,” said Wang Yi.

So far, it seems that the “related country” — Djibouti — does wish for a greater Chinese presence. China has greatly invested in the tiny Horn of African nation, and included Djibouti in its grand “One Belt, One Road” initiative.
According to Aboubaker Omar Hadi, the chairman of Djibouti Ports and Free Zones Authority, China has already invested nearly $15 billion in Djibouti’s  port expansion and related infrastructure development.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:27 am

O da. Već nekoliko godina je prilično jasno da je Afrika veliki ekonomski i politički prostor za kinsko širenje. Recimo, yuan je u Zimbabveu već postao jedna od nezvaničnih valuta, uz dolar i rand.


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Post by Filipenko on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:34 am

Nije ništa promaklo, već je odavno kineska narodnooslobodilačka armija markirala te prostore. Mislim da je samo sada poludemonstrativno baza prihvatila konvoj kineske narodnooslobodilačke mornarice i dobila posadu marinaca. Narodnooslobodilačkih marinaca, naravno.

Inače, Kina planira da učetvorostruči broj marinaca uskoro. Mislim da to nije neka velika brojka, ne mogu se egzaktno setiti, ali će dići broj sa 25-30 hiljada na 100-120 hiljada.
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Post by Gargantua on Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:50 pm

Jel nema teme o Redžep paši Erdoganu?

Evo ovde:


Education minister says evolution is out, concept of jihad is in new curriculum in Turkey


Turkish Education Minister İsmet Yılmaz has said a new national school curriculum will exclude evolution theory but will include the concept of jihad, or holy war, as part of Islamic law in textbooks.

Speaking during a press conference to introduce the new school curriculum in Ankara on Tuesday, Yılmaz said: “Jihad is an element in our religion; it is in our religion… The duty of the Education Ministry is to teach every deserving concept correctly. It is also our job to correct things that are wrongly perceived, seen or taught.”

In reference to the removal of evolution theory from the new curriculum, Yılmaz said it was not included “because it is above the students’ level and not directly relevant.”
Yılmaz also said last year’s failed coup attempt would be touched on in classes while the national struggle, led by modern Turkey’s founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, was being discussed.

He added that students will be taught about terrorist groups such as the “Fethullahist Terrorist Organization” (FETÖ), the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

“FETÖ” is a term used by government circles to refer to the faith-based Gülen movement, a civil society movement inspired by the views of US-based Turkish Islamic scholar Fethullah Gülen, who is accused by Turkish authorities of masterminding the failed coup last year.

A widespread witch-hunt against Gülen followers was launched by the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and Turkey’s autocratic President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, despite Gülen having denied any involvement in the putsch, proposing the establishment of an international commission to investigate the coup attempt. (turkishminute.com) July 18, 2017


https://stockholmcf.org/education-minister-says-evolution-is-out-concept-of-jihad-is-in-new-curriculum-in-turkey/
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Post by Filipenko on Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:56 pm

A kada ode Vučić, doći će Vuk Jeremić koji Erdogana i njegovog premijera naziva braćom. Oh, wait!
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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:07 am

brat kim džong lansirao još jednu interkontinentalku
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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:19 am

Izgleda da joj je domet 10.000-11.000 kilometara.

Jel se to meni čini ili je već kasno za delotvornu preventivnu vojnu akciju protiv N. Koreje? Imaju Bombu, imaju čime da je zavrljače, to je valjda to?


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:21 am

Nije još kasno i trebali bi da požure. Mada bi najbolje bilo da Kinezi organizuju neki državni udar ako je moguće.


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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:22 am

Pa očigledno je da Pjongjang ima solidnu tehnologiju i dobar plan rada. Ovo je baš žestok tempo.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:24 am

nisam siguran da su uspeli da natakare nuklearnu bojevu glavu na tu raketu.
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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:26 am

Pa to me najviše zanima, kako se vrši simulacija nuklearnog udara pomoću balističke rakete, to jest kako izgleda test nakon koga se može reći "Sada imamo ICBM koji može da nosi nuklearnu bojevu glavu".

Sad čitam neke tvrdnje da je N. Koreja toliko ubrzala razvoj ove tehnologije da se očekuje da već u 2018. budu spremni da prave arsenal interkontintalnih balističkih raketa.

Hajde da pretpostavimo da debilana zvana Bela kuća neće uspeti da u tom roku osmisli delotvornu akciju. Moja pretpostavka je da je zaista kasno za preventivni vojni udar, jer bi bilo potrebno više meseci za pripremei ne vidim šta bi sprečilo Pjongjang da pokaže gostima da nisu dobrodošli. Dakle, ostaju sankcije, državni udar, cyber warfare. Mislim da je to preveliki zalogaj za ovu Belu kuću i za Peking. 

Kakva je Severna Koreja - nuklearna sila? Kakva je njena politika? Oni i dalje nemaju dovoljno hrane, i dalje zavise od drugih zemalja. Pretpostavljam da bi ostali na istom kursu kao sada. Bili bi rasterećeni od straha od vojne akcije i bili bi malo drčniji, ali ne verujem da bi se ravnoteža moći mnogo promenila. Mislite li drugačije?


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Post by Indy on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:32 am

Zaboravljeni korejski rat dolazi po svoje (interesantno je kako većina Amerikanaca misli da ih sev.korejanci ne vole prosto zato što su zli i komunisti.)

The median total estimated Korean civilian deaths in the Korean War is 2,730,000


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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:37 am

Kad sve saberem i oduzmem, mislim da će svet morati da nauči da živi sa Severnom Korejom kao nuklearnom silom.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:40 am

^^

pa raketa je jedno, bojeva glava drugo. kruna uspeha je bojeva glava koja ima x manjih pravih bojevih glava sa nezavisnim vođenjem na zadnjem delu putanje, i y lažnih bojevih glava za mamac.

oni nisu tu, još uvek što se tiče takve bojeve glave ne znam ni da li su blizu.

rekoh ranije - prilika za trampa je sada, danas je veća/bolja nego što će biti sutra, to je prosto neminovna logika.

nemam pojma za strategiju, nisam siguran da imaju jak regionalni beef, tj pre mislim da je ovo radi odvraćanja amerikanaca nego bilo čega drugog.
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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:43 am

mi smo svi u unknown unknowns teritoriji, niti znamo kuda ide s.k. niti znamo šta će trampara sutra ujutru da uradi.

ne bih se trunčicu iznenadio da se za 3 dana ujutro probudim uz vest da je izvršen masovni raketni napad na s.k. nuklearna postrojenja, tj proizvodne kapacitete i odgovarajuće vojne baze. ali ni trunčicu.
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Post by паће on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:02 am

Indy wrote:Zaboravljeni korejski rat dolazi po svoje (interesantno je kako većina Amerikanaca misli da ih sev.korejanci ne vole prosto zato što su zli i komunisti.)

The median total estimated Korean civilian deaths in the Korean War is 2,730,000

Типично за Амере да броје само своје жртве. За Вијетнам се вазда спомиње оних 50-60 хиљада; две-три милиона Вијетнамаца већ не. Слично и за Ирак, опет која десетина хиљада, и све се зна о ПТСДу, а о томе да је само од санкција помрло пола милиона Ирачана и још око милион ипо (1,7 се, ако се не варам, спомињало око 2007), то Амери слабо чују.


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Post by No Country on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:07 am

Gargantua wrote:ne bih se trunčicu iznenadio da se za 3 dana ujutro probudim uz vest da je izvršen masovni raketni napad na s.k. nuklearna postrojenja, tj proizvodne kapacitete i odgovarajuće vojne baze. ali ni trunčicu.
Потпуно сам сигуран да планови постоје, и да се помно разматрају. Мање сам сигуран шта је "план Б"?
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Post by Indy on Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:28 am

Meni je zanimljivo, ko to gura. Sve vidim Kima i Trumpa kako sede u nekom Karađorđevu, piju viski, puše tompuse, i dogovaraju se kako će da reketiraju celu planetu... Nikom ništa više ne verujem.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:12 am

No Country wrote:
Gargantua wrote:ne bih se trunčicu iznenadio da se za 3 dana ujutro probudim uz vest da je izvršen masovni raketni napad na s.k. nuklearna postrojenja, tj proizvodne kapacitete i odgovarajuće vojne baze. ali ni trunčicu.
Потпуно сам сигуран да планови постоје, и да се помно разматрају. Мање сам сигуран шта је "план Б"?

plan b je da zveknu celu tu novu osovinu zla u jednom zahvatu, s-koreju, kinu i rusiju, i tako jednim udarcem spasu planetu i poredak baziran na normama i pravilima 

evo, retorika se polako prilagođava:

The United States has accused China and Russia of bearing “unique and special responsibility” for North Korea’s “belligerent” pursuit of nuclear weapons, after Pyongyang tested its latest ballistic missile.
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The US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, hit back on Saturday, describing North Korea’s launch as a “blatant violation” of multiple UN security council resolutions.
Tillerson also pointed the finger of blame at Beijing and Moscow.
As the principal economic enablers of North Korea’s nuclear weapon and ballistic missile development program, China and Russia bear unique and special responsibility for this growing threat to regional and global stability,” he said in a statement.
Tillerson’s comments are sure to anger Russia and China.
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Post by ostap bender on Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:43 am

meni ovo vise lici na pranje ruku


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Post by ostap bender on Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:45 am

inace da - severna koreja je proizvod mesavine japanskog imperijalizma, sovijetske hladnoratovske doktrine, kineske paranoje i americkog brutalnog intervencionizma.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:00 am

^^ ma ja se zezam malo, realno nemam pojma šta će da bude tu

mislim samo da je uključivanje rusije u ovo "enabler" s-korejskog nuklearnog programa, pored kine, relativno novo.
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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:13 am

North Korea can now fire missiles at targets across the United States, experts say

'Regime change in North Korea means kiss Trump Tower goodbye,' says non-proliferation expert

   Will Worley
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North Korea has the capability to “hit everything from LA to DC,” a leading missile and non-proliferation expert has claimed, and the US now must now “accept its vulnerability”.

Jeffrey Lewis, of the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in California, said the US had to adapt to a “new reality” and focus on reducing tensions with North Korea, also known as the DPRK, rather than using coercion against it.

An intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, was fired from Mupyong-ni, in the north of the DPRK on Friday evening, and landed within 200 nautical miles of the Japanese coast.

Weapons experts said that while the missile had a range of just around 1,000km, its apogee – the highest point it reached during flight – was up to 3,700km. It was in flight for 47 minutes.

The missile was fired more vertically than laterally, meaning its range was substantially reduced.

North Korea’s latest test “demonstrated it can hit targets throughout the United States,” Mr Lewis told The Independent. “If you straighten out the apogee, that can basically hit everything from LA almost to [Washington] DC.”

Kim Jong-un made the same claim early on Saturday morning, AFP reported.

David Wright, co-director of the Union of Concerned Scientists’ Global Security Program, published estimates of the missile’s range soon after its launch.

He said that if the figures regarding the missile’s range and apogee were correct, it “would have a range of 10,400 km (6,500 miles), not taking into account the rotation of the Earth.”

This would easily put it within range of Los Angeles, Denver and Chicago and just within range of Boston and New York, Dr Wright said. He also conceded Washington DC “may be just out of range”.

While previous US concerns over the range of North Korean missiles were mainly preoccupied with the prospect of places such as Alaska and Hawaii being targeted, the latest test means the US now has to “accept vulnerability,” Mr Lewis said.

“It’s about accepting that North Korea has nuclear weapons, that we can’t take them away from them, we have to deal with them like they have nuclear weapons,” he added.

“And honestly, what it means in some cases, is we will be deterred.”

Mr Lewis said the prospect of a change in the DPRK government – as some hawkish politicians and defence officials have advocated for – was no longer an option.  

He said: “Regime change in North Korea means kiss Trump Tower goodbye.”

Dr John Nilsson-Wright, Senior Research Fellow on Chatham House’s Asia Programme, said the launch was “further evidence that Donald Trump’s efforts to deter North Korea … aren’t working” and that the US president was “on the back foot”.

This is not the first ICBM test North Korea has carried out. That came last month, when Hwasong-14 was fired 2,802km into the air, travelling across 933km for 43 minutes. North Korea watchers and non-proliferation experts have been expecting another test, particularly around the time of Victory Day – the DPRK name for anniversary of the end of the Korean War.

The early July test meant many experts had already accepted North Korea had a weapon capable of hitting the US.

“When we say it’s a provocation, it really means we’ve refused to accept the evidence that’s been in front of our face for a long time,” said Mr Lewis.

He stressed today’s test was not an escalation of North Korea’s weapons programme, but simply a continuation of the test earlier in the month.




“They were clearly demonstrating this capability and we didn’t believe it,” Mr Lewis said.

Dr Nilsson-Wright concurred. “It confirms North Korea will continue along the path it set itself on”, he said. The country has wanted to develop nuclear weapons since the 1960s, he added, just a decade after it broke away from the South after a brutal civil war.

Mr Trump has vowed to “take care” of the issue of the North Korean weapons programme and his officials have said no options are “off the table”. But so far, no strategy has been forthcoming.

Dr John Nilsson-Wright said the test showed the failures of both the international community and successive US administrations, who failed to apply measures which successfully deterred, punished North Korea, or incentivised it to halt its programme.  

The country has always shown its willingness to fly in the face of the international community, Dr Nilsson-Wright added.

Most analysts believe North Korea’s current objective is not to hit the US, but acquire the capability to.

According to Dr Nilsson-Wright, this is for a number of reasons, including strengthening its deterrent, securing the regime, and showing the DPRK remains strong.

So how does the international community move forward from Friday’s events? According to Mr Lewis, the chance of North Korea ending its weapons programme through diplomacy has passed.

“There’s nothing we can do,” he said. “You don’t fix this. You accept it, you deal with it. You move forward with the new reality.”

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