EU - what's next?


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:33 pm

Turska u EU nije problem, Turske u EU nema.


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Post by William Murderface on Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:57 pm

Pa Turska je već odjebala EU, toliko je jasno, tim je smešnije ovo poziranje i uvređenomladisanje. Jbt čime se oni bave. Ko da gledaš američke izbore sa dve Hilari koje se trude da zvuče kao Tramp.

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:30 pm

Korupcija u srcu EU, kako je od političara kupovana tišina

Beograd -- Vladajuća elita Azerbejdžana koristila je tajni fond od 2,8 milijarde dolara za plaćanje evropskim političarima, pokazuje istraživanje nekoliko medija.
Osim toga, kako se navodi, novac je korišćen i za luksuzne kupovine i “kupovinu tišine”, objavljeno je na sajtu Projekta izveštavanja o organizovanom kriminalu i korupciji (OCCRP).
Novinari su čitav projekat nazvali “Azerbejdžan Laundromat”.
Oni navode da je novac od 2012. do 2014. korišćen za plaćanje evropskim političarima kako bi imali pozitivan stav prema vladi Azerbejdžana. Novac je takođe išao lobistima, novinarima, političarima i biznismenima.


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Post by паће on Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:20 pm

Zuper wrote:
korišćen za plaćanje evropskim političarima kako bi imali pozitivan stav prema vladi Azerbejdžana. Novac je takođe išao lobistima, novinarima, političarima i biznismenima.

Корупција? Јогбре, они су плаћени да воле (Азербејџан). Љубав за паре се другачије зове.

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Post by Filipenko on Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:30 pm

To je ta Evropa kojoj težimo.

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Post by Gargantua on Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:25 pm

EU’s top court dismisses Hungary and Slovakia refugee complaint

Ruling likely to add to tensions between Brussels and eastern member states

27 MINUTES AGO by: Andrew Byrne in Budapest

Hungary has attacked as “politically motivated” a ruling by the EU’s top court in favour of the bloc’s refugee quota plan and renewed its opposition to accepting asylum seekers, intensifying a conflict between Brussels and eastern member states

The legal battle over refugee quotas has reopened the fraught arguments over the EU’s disjointed response to the 2015 influx of hundreds of thousands of refugees — many of them fleeing war in Syria — and an east-west split over how to deal with mainly Muslim asylum seekers. 

Hungary and Slovakia had asked the European Court of Justice to overturn a September 2015 decision by EU governments to share out 120,000 refugees across the bloc and ease pressure on Greece and Italy, which were struggling with mass arrivals across the Mediterranean. 

But the Luxembourg court rejected on Wednesday all arguments against the relocation law and said it was a “proportionate” method to help Greece and Italy deal with the effects of the migration crisis. 

Hungary, which has led eastern resistance to the EU’s common refugee policies, attacked the ruling and vowed to renew its resistance to any refugee relocations. Peter Szijjarto, the foreign minister, said the judgment was irresponsible, threatened Europe’s security and was contrary to the interests of European nations. 

“Politics has raped European law and raped European values. This decision practically openly legitimatises the power of the EU above the member states of EU. This is unacceptable in all terms,” he told reporters. 

Hungary and Slovakia were among four countries that voted against the quota law in 2015 and Budapest has so far refused to accept any of the 1,249 allocated to it. Neighbours Czech Republic and Poland have also stalled on accepting asylum seekers. 

The emergency plan aimed to relocate 120,000 refugees from Greece and Italy by September 2017. So far fewer than 28,000 people have been relocated. 

Although a 2016 EU-Turkey deal drastically reduced the number of refugees arriving in Greece, the political fallout from the influx of more than 1m asylum seekers into Europe in 2015 continues to stoke diplomatic tensions and remains a source of dissatisfaction among voters in western Europe. 

In a televised election debate on Sunday, German chancellor Angela Merkel accused Hungary of failing to show solidarity and said Mr Orban’s treatment of refugees trapped in Hungary in September 2015 had forced her to open Germany’s doors to asylum seekers fleeing the country. “I have no hope that Viktor Orban will change his attitude,” she said. 

Analysts said the court’s verdict was a mixed result for Mr Orban, who has described immigration as a “poison” that increases the risk of terrorism. The judgment will enable him to rally public support by sharpening his portrayal of Brussels as a body intent on flooding Europe with refugees but it also leaves him diplomatically isolated, according to Peter Kreko of Political Capital, a Budapest think-tank.

“Orban will definitely mobilise his constituency with this messaging, and use it to his own advantage in the upcoming electoral campaign,” Mr Kreko said. 

But reactions to Wednesday’s judgment have also exposed divisions among the so-called Visegrad group of four central and eastern European countries, which has been dominated by Eurosceptic governments in Poland and Hungary. Robert Fico, prime minister of Slovakia, said he “fully respects” the decision of the court. 

“On the EU level it leads to an even more serious isolation of Orban. While the Slovak government says it accepts the decision, the Hungarian government openly rejects it,” added Mr Kreko. 

Brussels said it stood ready to escalate a separate legal procedure to force eastern countries to comply with the refugee law if they do not drop their opposition. Analysts said the European Commission could refer a new case to the Court of Justice and seek fines if member states continue to resist. 

“The court has declared unequivocally that [the refugee law] was a valid decision. It’s also clear that Hungary is infringing the decision. So it’s likely we could see an infringement procedure go to the court, and if that is also ignored, then the court could fine Hungary, possibly half a year from now,” said Prof Boldizsar Nagy of Budapest’s Central European University. 

Mr Szijjarto said Budapest would fight a new legal battle against any enforcement action and said Wednesday’s judgment created no new obligations for Hungary:

“This decision by the court cannot force us to do anything.”

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Post by Zuper on Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:27 pm

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Post by Gargantua on Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:21 pm

Amid EU treaty change fever, national ministers urge caution
By Dave Keating |  9:11 (updated:  12:03)

French President Emmanuel Macron has promised an aggressive push to reform the European Union after the German election. But there is still great unease about opening this Pandora’s box.

In a speech at the Acropolis in Athens yesterday, Macron doubled down on his promise to lead a six-month review of how the European Union works after the 24 September German election.

Without reform the EU risks a “slow disintegration”, he insisted, outlining a bold vision for what some are calling a ‘constitutional convention’. It will be aimed in particular at making the eurozone more cohesive, to avoid a repeat of the debt crisis. The drastic reforms he is envisioning would very likely involve treaty change.

But 2,000 kilometers away in Brussels, some national ministers were dousing cold water on his bold plan.

“I would be careful to start talking about treaty change,” Johan Van Overtveldt, Belgium’s finance minister, told a conference organised by the think-tank Bruegel yesterday. Noting that public discussions on Europe are unpredictable, he warned that opening the EU treaties could cause a “boomerang effect” which delivers the opposite of the desired result. The treaty revision process could be hijacked by populists, moving the EU backward instead of forward.

Easier said than done

Bruegel’s ‘Annual Meetings’, a yearly event which brings together big names in European politics, has this year been dominated by the subject of Macron’s envisioned reforms. The push will come following the German election on 24 September, after it is known how receptive the new German government will be to the ideas. Macron, who won the French election earlier this year in a landslide, made support for the European Union a centerpiece of his campaign.

“Of course the elections in France were a major change with respect to the general feeling about Europe, but there are a lot of countries where the sentiment remains somewhat different in the way people want to go with the European project ,” cautioned Van Overtveldt. “And I don’t think the German election will make much of a difference.”

Speaking on a panel about eurozone governance, Bruegel director Guntram Wolff observed that while many can agree on the need for reform in principle, the reality is going to get a lot more difficult once the specifics have to be agreed. For instance, he noted, Macron’s recent agreement with German Chancellor Angela Merkel to create the position of EU finance minister has remained vague.

“We can all agree on a eurozone finance minister, but no one can agree on its description ,” he said. It could just be a semantic renaming of the European Commissioner for economic and monetary affairs and the euro – or it could be an entirely new structure with huge power over national budgets.

Similarly, Macron’s calls for greater democratic accountability for the eurozone are not taking into account the complexity involved in such a task. “At the eurozone level we now have the Eurogroup with national parliamentary accountability, ” he said. “When we transfer powers, the question is do we want to do this at European level, with all the EU institutions’ benefits and shortcomings, or do we want to create a totally new thing? What kind of legitimacy do we want to give this new thing eventually?”

Van Overtveldt discouraged the idea of creating new institutions within the European Parliament for eurozone governance oversight, saying it would “only add an extra layer of complication to things ”.

Two-speed Europe

However not all national ministers at the summit were so cautious. Sandro Gozi, Italy’s state secretary for European affairs, said that he enthusiastically supports the idea of a bold EU and eurozone reform. He endorsed Macron’s idea to develop a “two-speed Europe”, in which a core group of countries move forward on establishing more ‘federal’ cohesion, while others sit it out.

“Europe has been conceived around the concept of multi-speed Europe, ” he said. “If the founders in 1956 had to wait for others, the treaties of Paris and Rome wouldn’t have started in due time. If when we decided to introduce the euro, the 12 countries had to wait for those who were not ready, probably today we wouldn’t have the euro.”

“I’ve heard and read that there are some member states who say multi-speed Europe would mean European collapse. But all the recent medical studies have found that your cardiac system is in far more at risk if you have a sedentary life, rather than a dynamic life.” A collapse will result from non-action rather than action, he insisted.

Poland warns multi-speed Europe could spawn 'more Brexits'

Polish President Andrzej Duda warned on Tuesday (5 September) that a multi-speed Europe could spawn “more Brexits” and the breakdown of the EU, after powerful eurozone members like France and Germany backed the model.

Centre-left French MEP Pervenche Berès agreed, saying a two-speed Europe was already created by the Maastricht Treaty when the UK and Denmark were given an opt-out from joining the euro.

Both, however, cautioned that there are two areas in which two speeds would not be acceptable: the single market and fundamental rights. “On that there can be no flexibility,” Gozi said. “On that we should be demanding that everybody play by the same rules.”

Not everyone was completely on board with the idea. Matti Maasikas, Estonia’s deputy minister for EU affairs, said he is uncomfortable with the idea that Macron’s reforms will set up a ‘by default’ two-speed Europe. “Even if we end up with some voluntary areas, like on defense or patents, the starting point should be that we want to move with everybody on board, ” he said. “And if in the end some member states decide they want to opt out, then so be it.”

He said this may be the case with one area certain to be part of the reform talks – European defence. “It ’s quite possible that in the area of defense we may end up with something that not all member states take part in, as some may have constitutional restrictions,” he said. “But of course more members states participate the stronger this arrangement will be.”

While there was much excitement about the possibilities presented by the reform dialogue, there was also anxiety. One summit attendee from the UK asked Gozi whether the push for more cohesion could result in a public backlash, noting that Euroscepticism did not become a powerful force in British politics until the creation of the euro and more centralised EU power in the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, which transformed the European Community into the European Union.

Gozi said he sees this as a British phenomenon. “It varies based on which country you ’re looking at,” he said. “In Italy Euroscepticism has been growing because of a lack of European action.” He noted that Italians are frustrated that the EU has not been more involved in tackling the migration crisis in the Mediterranean Sea, or in developing more economic and social policies.

“Seen from Rome, a speedier Europe in addressing common challenges and common concerns is a better way of addressing the challenges of Euroscepticism.”

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Post by Gargantua on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:53 am

1.10. gledamo (još jedan) referendum - možda

Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont signed a decree on Wednesday evening (6 September), officially calling an independence referendum on 1 October, in a move that the Spanish government has vowed to block.

"No one has the authority to take away our right to decide" he said after signing. "Catalonia will decide its own future on 1 October."

He called on Catalans to "build a modern, democratic, and free state."

Earlier in the day, separatist parties in the Catalan parliament approved the bill that organises the referendum, which the regional government said will be binding, amid a tense atmosphere.

Seventy-two of the 135 deputies voted in favour of the bill and 11 abstained. The opposition parties - the Catalan Popular Party, Ciutadans, and the Catalan Socialist Party - walked out in protest ahead of the vote.

A last-minute amendment to the parliamentary agenda allowed for the bill to be fast-tracked, to have time to approve it before it could be blocked by the central government in Madrid.


The Spanish government vowed on Thursday (7 September) to block Catalonia's independence referendum, called for 1 October, and threatened to launch legal proceedings against the region's leaders.

"There will be no self-determination referendum in Catalonia," Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy said after an emergency cabinet meeting in Madrid.

The Spanish Constitutional Court later the same day suspended a referendum law that had been adopted by the Catalan parliament on Wednesday.

The court said it would study the legality of that bill, but it has previously said that any referendum organised without the consent of the central government was against the constitution.

Rajoy said that the Catalan referendum law was an "intolerable act of disobedience".

"What is not legal, is not democratic," Rajoy said. "Democracy will respond with firmness, with composure, with serenity and with dignity."

He called on Catalan leaders "not to go towards the cliff, accept the failure of their political project and abandon this process."

The government sent a letter to mayors, asking them to prevent the vote from taking place.

In a letter sent on Wednesday, the president and vice president of Catalonia's government, Carles Puigdemont and Oriol Junqueras, had asked mayors to allow the vote in their communes and warned that alternative voting stations would be established if they refuse to comply.

Also on Thursday, Spanish state prosecutor Jose Manuel Maza announced that a case will be opened against any member of the Generalitat, the Catalan government, who participates in organising the referendum.

He said that Catalan prosecutors will investigate actions that could be considered as crimes of disobedience, embezzlement and misuse of public money.

He added that Catalan authorities' move towards the referendum was in violation of constitutional rulings and Catalonia's statute of autonomy.

Members of the Catalan parliament who voted for the referendum law on Wednesday, as well as Puigdemont, who signed a decree calling the vote, could be prosecuted.

The government and prosecutor's move come after the Spanish police searched a Catalan printing company that was suspected of printing documents for the referendum.

According to media, the police found a document in Spanish and Catalan that could be a list of voters. The Catalan government denied on Thursday that it had ordered the documents.

Meanwhile, in Barcelona, the parliament adopted a second bill to organise the transition towards an independent state if the separatists win the vote on 1 October.


The Spanish government is worried that "blood is shed on the streets" of Catalonia, its spokesman said, after Spain's Constitutional Tribunal said an independence referendum planned for 1 October by the Catalan government is illegal, and the state prosecutor asked Catalan police to prevent the vote. He said that the government would be ready to use Article 155 of the Constitution, which allows "necessary means" to protect the state's interests.

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Post by Filipenko on Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:17 am

Podrška katalonskom pojedinačnom slučaju, i svakom narednom pojedinačnom slučaju!

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Post by Gargantua on Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:41 am

Hundreds of thousands of Catalans rallied yesterday (11 September) to demand their region’s secession from Spain, in a show of strength three weeks ahead of an independence referendum which has been banned by Madrid.

Draped in red, yellow and blue separatist flags — with one banner reading “Goodbye Spain” — they marched through central Barcelona in what many hope will be the last protest before independence.

“If there is huge mobilisation, they can’t do anything in Madrid,” said Jordi Calatayud, a 21-year-old economics student, referring to the October 1 vote.

“Catalan people will make independence possible; if there are a lot of us, they can’t stop us.”

Around one million people took part in the event, Barcelona’s municipal police said in a Twitter post. A spokeswoman for the central government’s representative in the wealthy northeastern region put the turnout lower, at around 350,000 people.

The protest coincides with Catalonia’s national day, the “Diada”, which marks the fall of Barcelona in the War of the Spanish Succession in 1714 and the region’s subsequent loss of institutions and freedoms.

Since 2012 the holiday has been used by separatists to press for an independent state.

“What more do we have to do to make it understood that the people of Catalonia want to vote?” Catalonia’s pro-independence president Carles Puigdemont told reporters at the rally.

‘Put me in prison’

Those against independence complained that a day meant for all Catalans had been hijacked by separatists — and even more so this year, ahead of the referendum.

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, whose conservative government is fiercely against the vote, wished Catalonia “a good day”, calling “for a Diada of freedom, cohabitation and respect for all Catalans”.

Demonstrators took the shape of a giant “X” by gathering on the Paseo de Gracia and Aragon avenues in central Barcelona, to represent the mark Catalans will make on their ballots during the referendum.

If the “Yes” side wins, Catalonia’s regional government has vowed to declare independence within 48 hours and set about building a sovereign state.

With Spain’s central government promising to block the referendum, the pro-independence camp was keen to show that it can rally its troops — especially after participation in the “Diada” declined last year.

“I am too old to be told what I can or can’t do, I am counting on voting and I will do so, even if they have to put me in prison,” said Mari Carmen Pla, a 70-year-old pensioner surrounded by a sea of red and yellow Catalan independence flags.

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Post by Zuper on Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:33 pm

Za 12 dana izbori u Nemackoj, najnovija anketa:
CDU/CSU 36.5%
SPD 23.5%
AfD 11%
Linke 10.5%
FDP 9%
Zeleni 6.5%

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:32 pm

Ili jamajka ili velika koalicija.

Za SPD verovatno bolje da izađe iz vlasti, osim ako ne dobije ekonomska ministarstva kako će izgleda tražiti (u zamenu za spoljne poslove).

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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:54 pm

SPD su budale.

Inače mislim da će AfD imati više.

Proud to be Scottish

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Post by Zuper on Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:43 pm

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:SPD su budale.

Inače mislim da će AfD imati više.

Imaju oni puno problema, upala im BND u redove, razbucala ih.
Imaju odredjeni pozitivni trend poslednjih par nedelja ali me ne bi cudilo da bude jedan jak udar na njiha pred kraj kampanje. Da predju cenzus i to je uspeh za njih za sada.


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