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Post by William Murderface on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:44 am

The Italy to Come

Je so' pazzo
If Italian voters reject Sunday’s constitutional referendum, the country could see a left revival in the name of popular democracy.


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Post by Zuper on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:51 am

ostap bender wrote:nema sta bepe da otvara karte. italijani nisu glasali za fasizam veceras, sto je, po meni, vidljivo i iz rezultata austrijskih izbora. ovo je pokazatelj da nije sve izgubljeno i da se nezadovoljstvo moze izraziti i mimo glasa za ekstremnu desnicu.

Ovome se raduju svi koji su protiv EU bili desno ili levo. Problem je sto desnica izgleda mnogo jace trenutno.
Da li bi Hofer izgubio izbore da je referendum bio u subotu? To je vazno.
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Post by ostap bender on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:54 am

pazite, meni je u italiji verovatniji grcki scenario.


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Post by Zuper on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:55 am

William Murderface wrote:

The Italy to Come



Je so' pazzo
If Italian voters reject Sunday’s constitutional referendum, the country could see a left revival in the name of popular democracy.

Ako je M5S levica onda da, oni ce sada postati najjaca stranka.
Ali treca po snazi je trenuno Lega Nord, oko 15%, problem je sto je M5S nedefinisana masa koja moze lako da pogubi podrsku a to ce skupljati LN, pre svih, jer je alternativna levica, ne Rencijeva PD, slaba.
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Post by William Murderface on Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:59 am

ostap bender wrote:pazite, meni je u italiji verovatniji grcki scenario.


Evo šta je problem sa tim predviđanjem - već postoji iskustvo Sirizinog poraza. S druge strane, postoji i iskustvo Orbanove pobede - ne izborne, nego u okvirima EU. EU sama gura izraze nezadovljstva u desno. Desnica ima jasan blueprint, levica, posle Sirize, nema. Taj trend nije nepromenljiv, naravno, kao što pokazuje i austrijski izbori. Ne se znaje.

Franucska je mnogo zasrala  (oland konkretno), i za sad ne pokazuje znakove dolaženja sebi.


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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:02 am

ostap bender wrote:pazite, meni je u italiji verovatniji grcki scenario.

Izloženost Evrope riziku od bankarske krize u Italiji je mnogo veća nego što je to slučaj sa Grčkom. Grčka se može zauzdati ultimatumima, a ovo je zajebanije, sistemsko pitanje. Ne verujem da će biti sličnih inicijativa kao sa Grčkom. Jedmostavno će uploviti u buru, pa kako ispadne, nema ovde pravog rešenja.


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Post by Gargantua on Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:56 am

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Post by William Murderface on Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:59 am

Garganuta, baci pogled na pm.


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Post by Filipenko on Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:49 am

William Murderface wrote:U principu, i ideološki i na sve druge načine, Putinovoj vlasti su najbliži evropski desničari najgoreg kova, Gargantua je pomenuo Jobik i Orbana, tu je mala Marina, a ni Fijon nije gadljiv na tu vezu. Iz jasnih razloga - malo da prave sranja, a malo više da razbijaju EU, i prave indidvudualne dilove sa pojedinim državama. A tu je naravno i ideološka srodnost. Uopšte mi nije jasno FIlipenkovo zapljiskivanje o putinovskoj levici, njemu se čini da je Putin Staljin, a ne vidi da na delu imamo desnu internacionalu.


Hoćeš li ti živeti tamo?  Pa neću ni ja!

Kakva crna putinovska levica, ili pripisivanje nerealnih karakteristika Putinu. Putin em nije levičar nego desničar, em nije sposoban kao Staljin, em kad dođe stani-pani ne sme ništa da uradi. Njemu ubijaju narod 700 kilometara južno od Moskve, a njega zabole nego mu je lakše da ne radi ništa poput truta a da angažuje botove i propagandiste da pričaju kako (mu) je veliki, mudar i pametan.

Mene interesuje promena postojećeg stanja i hermetizovanog terorističkog držanja Evrope u šaci briselsko-berlinske klike na daljincu iz Vašingtona. Posebno me ne interesuju "levice" poput ovih kučića CDUa u Švabiji iz SPDa, prljavih laburista koje mučeni Korbin pokušava da barem malo podigne iz blerističkog blata ili đeneralno takozvanih "socijaldemokratija" poput naše demokratske stranke, to su obične sluge klika svih vrsta i fela. Takva levica bolje da nestane. Pa da bauk opet počne da kruži Evropom...


ostap bender wrote:pazite, meni je u italiji verovatniji grcki scenario.


Nemoguće. Photino je već rekao, Italija je Grčka dignuta na n-ti stepen. Tu je nemoguće zajmovima pokrpiti rupe jer su prosto prevelike. Oni su na 133% GDP-a već sada, imaju muku sa likvidnošću, to kad krene ne može da se zaustavi.

Samo, za razliku od Photina, mislim da se to neće pustiti, već da će se kada krene sranje Italiji narediti da štampa lire - dakle, suprotno od rešenja nemačkih ekonomskih terorističkih kalifa za Grčku - i da će se to tako rešavati. Isterivanjem Italije iz evrozone. Nema drugo. Jedino ako nemački ekonomski teroristi već planiraju štampanje dojčemarke i napuštanje evra u kompletu, što nema šanse da će se desiti sve dok mogu da štancuju evro, šticuju kurs i drže išta zapadno od Rajne, istočno od Odre i južno od Alpa na uzici.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by ficfiric on Mon Dec 05, 2016 6:57 am

паће wrote:
Radagast wrote:
#frogxit

Неће ти упалити јер су Италијани само за нас жабари, знамо се из комшилука. Остатак света нема појма па слуша оне који имају још мање појма, дакле Амере, а за њих су жабари Французи. Дакле, познавање тржишта ти је за седмицу у локалу, нула у глобалу. Ако Амери не капирају фазон, пиши пропало (или пиши на српском).

onda #catxit


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Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:43 am

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Post by паће on Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:52 am

Kinder Lad wrote:UscITA

Досад најбољи израз за #ћао.


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Post by William Murderface on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:24 pm

The Far Right Suffers a Defeat in Austria. What Can We Learn?
By FLORIAN BIEBERDEC. 6, 2016



GRAZ, Austria — Following the Brexit referendum in June and the election of Donald J. Trump in November, Austria’s presidential election on Sunday was closely watched as an indicator of whether right-wing populists would continue their 2016 winning streak. For now, at least, they haven’t.
On Sunday, Alexander Van der Bellen, a former leader of Austria’s Green Party, defeated Norbert Hofer of the far-right Freedom Party. This was a rerun of an election held in May whose results were annulled by the constitutional court after complaints of voting irregularities. This time, Mr. Van der Bellen won by a far wider margin — nearly seven percentage points, compared with less than one in May — despite opinion polls and many observers’ predicting his defeat.
Austria’s election demonstrates why it’s wrong to interpret the populist right around the world as part of a single and inevitable tide. The Freedom Party’s opponents tried to tie Mr. Hofer to Britain’s Brexit vote, suggesting that a victory for Mr. Hofer would lead to an Austrian referendum on leaving the European Union. But the Freedom Party distanced itself from such a policy, realizing that it did not enjoy majority support among Austrians. As for the American comparison, few people here viewed the soft-spoken, smiling Mr. Hofer as similar to the rowdy, crude Mr. Trump.
Nonetheless, it’s clear that similar forces are at play, and there are lessons to be learned from Austria. Mr. Hofer may have been defeated, but his platform of nationalism, Islamophobia, Euroskepticism and anti-elitism still won nearly half the vote in a high-turnout election. The Freedom Party’s ideological eclecticism — calling itself the “social homeland party” and appealing to workers, despite a neoliberal economic program — proved a strength rather than a weakness.
The influx of refugees to Austria over the past year and a half has also bolstered the far right’s popularity. Stories in tabloids and social media about the terrorist threat emanating from the refugees, the financial assistance they receive (real and imagined) and the alien nature of Islam have created a volatile atmosphere that has favored the Freedom Party.
But it was a fear of refugees, rather than actual exposure to them, that drove support for the Freedom Party: The election results showed no correlation between the localities where refugees had settled and votes for Mr. Hofer.


A sense of economic despair also played a crucial role. Unemployment now stands at 5.9 percent, low by European standards but a historic high for Austria. Many out-of-work Austrians blame the establishment political parties for this, just as those who fear they could be next to lose their jobs feel the elites have abandoned them.
It’s understandable that many voters are fed up with the mainstream parties. After sharing power for 22 of the past 29 years, the center-right People’s Party and the center-left Social Democrats have come to represent stagnation. Neither the new Social Democratic chancellor, Christian Kern, nor the young foreign minister, Sebastian Kurz, a rising star among the People’s Party, have come up with a compelling alternative to the far right’s appeal.
Instead, each has moved his party closer toward a potential coalition with the Freedom Party, which continues to lead in polls for a parliamentary election. Mr. Kurz, after initially supporting Chancellor Angela Merkel’s welcoming approach to refugees in Germany, has since taken a hard line on closing Austria’s borders. Mr. Kern, for his part, was surprisingly gentle in a recent public debate with Hans-Christian Strache, the president of the Freedom Party.
Catering to the Freedom Party is likely to be a losing strategy for the centrists. One lesson from the presidential election is that presenting a real alternative is the way to defeat the far right. Mr. Van der Bellen provided a sharp contrast with Mr. Hofer. A retired university professor nearly 30 years Mr. Hofer’s senior, Mr. Van der Bellen represents an urban, open and cosmopolitan Austria, which came to assist refugees over the past year and a half in large numbers.
The Freedom Party sought to use this against him, portraying him as unpatriotic, a Communist and a Freemason, part of the Viennese elite. The party’s supporters mocked Mr. Van der Bellen’s age and suggested he might be ill. None of it worked. First, he could not be accused of any wrongdoing during his political career. Nor was he, as a Green, tainted by association with the ruling parties, whose two presidential candidates gained only just over 20 percent of the vote combined back in April’s first round of elections. And instead of pandering to the far right, Mr. Van der Bellen presented himself as a clear alternative.
Politicians across Europe, from Geert Wilders in the Netherlands to Marine Le Pen of France, had expressed support for Mr. Hofer. Seeing his defeat, are they now less sure of their own paths to power?
Their own successes so far mostly reflect the weaknesses of mainstream parties. It may require other political forces to present alternatives that keep the right-wing populists from power. Even so, the far right’s ideas have entered Europe’s mainstream.


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Post by Filipenko on Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:45 pm

Imam rešenje za likvidnost Dojče Banke.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:16 am

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 2 сатапре 2 сата
Y'all should be watching Poland right now: textbook example of how the far right channels frustration over capitalism to hatred of the Other

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 3 сатапре 3 сата
As we speak, the Polish ruling party moved voting over a controversial legislation outside of Parliament, banned opposition from taking part

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 3 сатапре 3 сата
As they usually do, the voting is taking part in the middle of the night. What's new: journalists were banned from entering the room.

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 3 сатапре 3 сата
Welcome to #Poland, a country which turned into a full-blown fascist state in about 1-1.5 years. Didn't see international outcry.

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 3 сатапре 3 сата
Limiting freedom of the press, cutting down on freedom to protest, dismantling the educational system, befriending neonazis,disgracing women

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 2 сатапре 2 сата
Marta Paciorkowska ретвитује Tygodnik POLITYKA
Parliament guards stop journalists from entering the room where illegal voting is taking place. #Poland #fascism

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 2 сатапре 2 сата
The vice-leader of the ruling party's just told the press that everything went according to the law and the constitution. What a surprise.

Marta Paciorkowska@a_meba 2 сатапре 2 сата
Marta Paciorkowska ретвитује TOK FM Sejm
Speaker’s Guard confirms they received a request from @MarekKuchcinski (Speaker of the Sejm) to ban the opposition from voting.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-media-idUSKBN1451OJ?il=0
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Post by William Murderface on Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:24 am

Lebe mekani, ovo nema ni kod Orbana.

Mi smo za sad jos i dobri.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:26 am

Nije demokratija za Srednju Evropu 


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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:06 am

Murija jebala milu majku demonstrantima.


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Post by William Murderface on Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:30 am

Gde ima ta vest, trazim, ne nalazim.


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Post by plachkica on Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:35 am

ja sam našla samo ovo


https://www.rt.com/news/370590-poland-parliament-protest-police/




Police forcefully pulled away protesters and reportedly used tear gas to clear the way for Kaczynski and several other senior members of parliament, who left the scene in a vehicle. Kaczynski’s car was seen leaving the building secured by a convoy together with the car of Prime Minister Beata Szydlo.
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Post by Gargantua on Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:52 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/17/protesters-block-polands-parliament-as-political-crisis-escalates?CMP=twt_gu

Poland's political crisis: police use tear gas to clear parliament blockade
Law and Justice party leader Jarosław Kaczyński left parliament in a convoy of cars after police forcefully removed protesters

Saturday 17 December 2016 02.32 GMT   First published on Saturday 17 December 2016 01.38 GMT  


The head of Poland’s ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party, Jarosław Kaczyński, left parliament in the early hours of Saturday after police forcefully removed protesters blocking their exit from, television footage showed.



Kaczyński left in a car that drove away in a convoy with the car of prime minister Beata Szydło and several other vehicles, footage from broadcaster TVN24 showed.

Opposition party MP Jerzy Meysztowicz told the television network that police used tear gas to disperse the protesters who tried to prevent the cars from leaving.

Protesters had blocked all exits from the parliament on Friday after the opposition said PiS politicians illegally passed the budget for next year by moving the vote outside of the main chamber of parliament.

The protest marked the biggest political standoff in years in European Union member Poland and the sharpest escalation of the conflict between the opposition and the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party since it came to power in October 2015.

The police attempted in the early hours of Saturday to remove protesters by grabbing them and pulling them aside, but stopped as new protesters arrived at the scene. The police also called on protesters blocking the parliament to disperse, saying on loudspeakers that they might otherwise use force.


Thousands protest against rightwing government in Poland
 

“Everybody sees that PiS has crossed a certain line and nothing will be the same any more,” Tomasz Siemoniak, deputy leader of the biggest opposition party Civic Platform said.
The parliament was surrounded by hundreds of police, some of whom were carrying rubber bullet guns.

The protesters chanted that politicians would remain blocked and called on Kaczyński to come out and face them. It was unclear how many people were inside waiting for the exits to be unblocked. Some opposition politicians said they would spend the night in parliament.

Polish opposition parties accused PiS earlier on Friday of violating the constitution after speaker Marek Kuchciński moved a key vote on next year’s budget outside of the main chamber of parliament and blocked the media from recording the vote. It was the first time since Poland’s transition from communism in 1989 that a sitting of the lower chamber of parliament was conducted outside of the main chamber.

“The ‘sitting’ was illegal. Period. This is a constitutional crisis,” Civic Platform head Grzegorz Schetyna said on social media.


Poland restricts public meetings

Kuchciński decided to transfer the sitting and the budget vote outside the main chamber after opposition politicians occupied the parliamentary podium protesting against a plan to curb media access and against Kuchciński’s decision to exclude one lawmaker.

Ruling party politicians said the transfer of the vote was legal and the vote itself was valid. “What the opposition did was a scandal. And we were working,” said PiS’s Jarosław Zieliński, who took part in the budget vote.

Opposition parties Civic Platform and Nowoczesna together with the PSL party said in a statement that the speaker has violated the constitution. Opposition MPs also said they had problems in accessing the budget vote.

The parties demanded the parliament sitting be held once again next week. Since coming to power last year, the nationalist-minded, eurosceptic PiS has tightened its control over public news media and state prosecution and moved to weaken the country’s highest court.

PiS is the first party since Poland’s transition to democracy to hold an outright majority in parliament.
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Post by Anduril on Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:52 am

Nemacke novine javljaju da su u Turskoj zabranili proslavu Bozica na nemackim skolama i pored sporazuma o kulturnom dijalogu. 
http://www.spiegel.de/lebenundlernen/schule/tuerkei-behoerden-verbieten-weihnachten-an-deutscher-auslandsschule-a-1126408.html
Sa druge strane su pre par dana javili da mnogi imami u Nemackoj sluze kao Erdoganovi informanti (za lov na Gulenovce i Kurde) posto Turska finansira mnoga islamska udruzenja po Nemakoj.
I sve to naravno pod direktnim pretnjama da ce sporazum o izbeglicama biti ponisten.
O cestim demonstracijama pro - kontra pristalica Erdogana u Nemackoj i Austriji da ne govorimo, pa onda napadi i obracuni koji idu sve to lokalnog nivoa.
Sa druge strane, EU uglavnom sipa milijarde, licemerno se provlace sa pricom o izbeglicama, jos uvek se diskutuje proces pridruzivanja Turske kao i u poslednjih 40 godina, i tako. Za to vreme sovinisticka desnica sve vise raste, a sada cak i levicari u Nemackoj (Die Linke) pricaju o izrucenju islamista. 

Nekako je sve ociglednije da Merkel nema viziju ni Nemacke a ni Evrope dok je Erdogan ocigledno ima.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:20 am

Pa Merkel nije vizionar, to nije ništa novo.


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