EU - what's next?

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by William Murderface on Mon May 22, 2017 1:54 pm

To bi bila najbolja varijanta.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Guest on Mon May 22, 2017 1:55 pm

Zuper wrote:
Kinder Lad wrote:Ima tu samo jedna mala stvar - prebacivsi kompletno teziste drzave sa istoka na zapad tokom hladnog rata i ujedinjenja identitet zemlje se mnogo promenio. To je izmicalo i Tacerki. Ako imperijalizam i postoji, to nije nista slicno ni onom pre prvog, a kamoli pre drugog sv. rata.

Izbegavaju bilo kakvu otvorenu agresivnost, njima treba novac od izvoza. Bilo kakva pojava imperijalizma je opasna za posao i ekonomiju zato sve provlace kroz EU/Nato. Ciprasa su ekonomski slomili koristeci zastitu Brisela. Slicno je sa Kirpom.
Ali ni 1928 nije niko ni sanjao da jedna ludak poput Hilera moze postati kancelar 5 godina kasnije. Hilter je u vreme najvece hiperinflacije 1923/24 na izborima dobijao manje od 5%.
Sledeci je problem: Nemacka ima ogromnu tehnolosko-naucnu-industrijsku bazu koja lako moze da se prebaci da radi neki drugi posao umesto sto prave Niveu. Ja licno mislim da oni nece ponoviti greske iz prve polovine XX veka ali ko zna sta donosi buducnost. Stavise, mislim da ce biti medju poslednjim ako dodje do neke radikalizacije u svetskim okvirima koji ce to pratiti, sto se i sada vidi. Tamo se jako prate takve pojave. Za razliku od drugih zemalja.

Sa druge strane, postojali su razni stratezi(uglavnom liberali) u nemackom MIP-u pre Prvog i Drugog svetskog rata koji su smatrali da nemacki imeprijalizam treba da ide preko ekonomije a ne vojskom.

nije to tako, pogon za niveu i ne košta previše, to se lako pravi, a pored toga vlasnik pogona u kome se nekada pravio ciklon b su danas amerikanci, a čeri on d top je broj firmi koji su svoju mašinsku proizvodnju izmestili na bliži ili dalji istok, nemačka nema ni po čemu sličnu poziciju onoj pre II ww, ova danas je mnogo moćnija iako zavisi od previše faktora, najviše iz usa i rusije
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 1:56 pm

William Murderface wrote:UK je stravično zasrala, zapravo i pre Brexit-a, svojim odbijanjem da se aktivnije uključi u EU. Eto nam ga sad.

UK nikada i nije htela da se ozbiljnije bavi Evropom već da vidi gde tu ima neka kinta. De Gol je bio 100% u pravu, nije ih trebalo tu ni puštati. Veći je fejl što osim Francuza i Nemaca i dalje u EU nema ozbiljnijih igrača.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Mon May 22, 2017 2:08 pm

Ne bih otpisivao Italiju. Imaju oni svojih problema koje treba neko da presece, kao u Francuskoj.

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 2:16 pm

I ja mislim pre svega na Italiju, delimično na Španiju. Ovi stabilni kojima ide fino su previše sitni.


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Post by Guest on Mon May 22, 2017 2:18 pm

Mislim da Španiju možete slobodno da zaboravite po tom pitanju, za Italiju nemam pojma.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by паће on Mon May 22, 2017 2:21 pm

Lev Abalkin wrote:a pored toga vlasnik pogona u kome se nekada pravio ciklon b su danas amerikanci

Опет? Па зар то није још онда било избачено одељење Дау Кемикалса?


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Guest on Mon May 22, 2017 2:29 pm

паће wrote:
Lev Abalkin wrote:a pored toga vlasnik pogona u kome se nekada pravio ciklon b su danas amerikanci

Опет? Па зар то није још онда било избачено одељење Дау Кемикалса?

komplikovana je to istorija, proizvodi se to i dan danas kojekude

u konkretnom slučaju sam mislio na zgradu u kojoj je bila najveća proizvodnja tokom wwII, a koja se nalazi u industrijkom parku hoechst

u njoj se nije proizvodio zadnjih 60 godina, otprilike
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Mon May 22, 2017 2:34 pm

otto katz wrote:
Kinder Lad wrote:



Je li, kad sam čito Staré pověsti české o Hrvatima kao susjednom plemenu baš dosta, a na Srbe nisam naišao, dal sam ih previdio? Ali sam zato Dušanov zakonik čitao kod Palackého. 
Kinder Lad wrote:Ima tu samo jedna mala stvar - prebacivsi kompletno teziste drzave sa istoka na zapad tokom hladnog rata i ujedinjenja identitet zemlje se mnogo promenio. To je izmicalo i Tacerki. 
Ma da, ovi Nijemci sad se lože da su an der Spitze der Zeit, a ne na Herrenrasse.


Dok su se Česi opasuljili i opismenili (ne nužno tim redosledom) Beli Srbi i druga vendska plemena koja su živela severno od njih su pali kao žrtve više uzastopnih krstaških orgija nakon čega je usledila intenzivna ustašizacija™ tih područja sa ciljem uništenja njihove svesti i naturanja ludaka iz Rima kao verskog autoriteta diljem Brandenburga i Meklenburga, iskonskih slovenskih zemalja.




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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by William Murderface on Mon May 22, 2017 3:29 pm

German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel on Monday urged eurozone finance ministers and the International Monetary Fund to give Greece enough fiscal room to make growth-oriented investments in education, infrastructure and research and development.

Speaking alongside visiting French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, Gabriel said the Eurogroup must grant Greece debt relief in exchange for reforms demanded by its international lenders.

“In 2016 the Eurogroup promised the prospect of debt relief to Greece for 2018. The Greeks have achieved incredible things since then,” Gabriel said.

“The Greeks were always told if you do this then it will become necessary to give you debt relief. And I think it is now time to make this concrete.”

Gabriel, a Social Democrat, has criticized conservative Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble’s handling of the Greek debt crisis, namely his insistence that giving Greece debt relief could encourage it to forfeit necessary reforms.

He added: “They have implemented their measures. Now it’s time for the [International Monetary Fund] and the Eurogroup to agree with the [European] Commission... that the debt servicing must not be so big that nothing remains for growth, creating jobs, for research, for development, for education, for infrastructure.”


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 3:33 pm

Eto, biće da je novi francuski ministar pomenuo...



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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 3:33 pm

Ne ozbiljno, ovo je odlična vest.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon May 22, 2017 3:37 pm

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by William Murderface on Mon May 22, 2017 3:42 pm

Jeste.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 3:46 pm

Uzgred, SPD danas objavio predizborni manifest na 75 strana.

"Time for more fairness" is the motto of the program that party leaders adopted unanimously on Monday. It details in 71 pages how an SPD government would wield its political power after the election. "What we are presenting is a clear contrast to the CDU’s program," said SPD parliamentary faction leader Thomas Oppermann. Schulz has been plugging the SPD program as "a major overhaul."
The party’s focus is on investing in education, as well as relieving the burden on lower income families. Instead of the broad tax cuts promised by the conservatives, the SPD wants to invest in services that can help families save money. Examples include free daycare, and the introduction of a family bonus, whereby parents would receive money if they reduce their working hours in order to care for their families. SPD deputy chairwoman Manuela Schwesig delivered the main takeaway: free education from daycare, to an undergraduate degree or vocational training.
The party is also taking issue with wage dumping, planning a "pact for a proper wage." It wants better protection for employees, as well as more opportunities for workers to prepare themselves for the digitalized working world with specialized job training.
When it comes to pensions, the goal is to keep the future levels stable, according to the new manifesto. But it lacks details about how this is to be achieved. The same goes for the SPD’s tax concept, due to be fleshed out in the coming weeks. The manifesto reveals only that: "For more social stability, we will reduce the growing gap between rich and poor. People on higher incomes and those who’ve amassed great wealth should pay a fair contribution." But what exactly that means is left open to interpretation.
The SPD is also aiming to score points on security, an issue where their conservative rivals have done well in the past. The Social Democrats would create 15,000 new jobs in law enforcement and invest more in the justice system in the hope that more lawyers and more judges will lead to faster processing times and less of a backlog in the courts.
The SPD also wants to see better protection in place on the EU’s external borders while at the same time maintaining the current laws on asylum. An immigration law would, however, create legal channels for a limited number of economic migrants. "If you want to suppress illegal migration, you have to create opportunities for legal migration," said Oppermann.
The party is taking a clear line when it comes to defense spending. Under the SPD, the defense budget would not be increased to 2 percent of GDP. But that is precisely the NATO goal that US President Donald Trump has repeatedly said he wants all member states to meet. Instead, the party says it plans to invest more in development aid and crisis prevention.
All in all, SPD faction leader Thomas Oppermann says the new program is "probably the best election platform since [former chancellor] Willy Brandt." However, the manifesto does not include suggestions about how to finance the proposals, and the SPD must still present details about its pension and tax proposals in the weeks ahead. It’s still not clear whether that will be enough to satisfy members at the national party congress on June 25.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 3:47 pm

Može li Gargantua da objasni kako on to lepo sve kvotuje i postuje?

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by паће on Mon May 22, 2017 4:01 pm

Не каже се проспео него просуо, што му је отприлике и метод. Макне од некуд и проспе овде.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon May 22, 2017 4:07 pm

pardon, zajebah se lolz


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Mon May 22, 2017 4:07 pm

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:Može li Prospeo da objasni kako on to lepo sve kvotuje i postuje?

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Mon May 22, 2017 4:09 pm

Po najnovijem istrazivanju od 22.5
INSA / YouGov

CDU 36.5%
SPD 26%
Linke 10%
FDP 9.5%
AfD 8%
Grune 6%

Ako se ovakvi trendovi nastave CDU i FDP ce formriati vladu bez SDP.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon May 22, 2017 4:10 pm

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Post by Filipenko on Mon May 22, 2017 4:22 pm

Ma jok, Milovan Jovanović Nepogrešivi je rekao da će Šulc biti novi kancelar. 
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Wed May 24, 2017 5:18 am

dobar naslov (malo i drndanje bojo-a zbog one izjave u minhenu)


The liberation of Europe
Caroline de Gruyter
17th May, 2017

The remaining 27 EU members have turned the page after Brexit much faster than the UK itself.


British Prime Minister Theresa May recently made a splash by accusing European Union politicians and officials of seeking to disrupt the UK’s general election, scheduled for 8 June. After a damning account of a ‘disastrous’ dinner between Mrs May and Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker appeared in the German press, the prime minister claimed that the leak (which she attributed to Commission officials) had been “deliberately timed to affect the result of the general election.” In doing so, Mrs May paints a picture of European adversaries who want her to fail at home so as to weaken her negotiating hand in Brussels.

Mrs May is wrong. Most Europeans would like to see her enter Brexit talks with a strong negotiating hand, backed by a decisive majority in parliament. This is because they understand that the primary threat to a sensible Brexit deal will come not from hardcore ‘remainers’ unwilling to accept a severance, but from hardline eurosceptics unwilling to accept any maintenance of ties with Europe. A decisive victory in the upcoming general election would give Mrs May the popular mandate to silence extreme voices and allow her to make the necessary compromises for a deal to happen.

Secondly, the other 27 member states are frankly not that interested in the Brexit negotiations themselves. As much as some countries regret to see the UK go, they have turned the page faster than the UK itself. They have formulated their position and mandated the European Commission to do the negotiating on their behalf. For them, the preservation of the internal market is clearly more important than trade with the UK. Where they concern themselves with Brexit, it is primarily in terms of how the UK’s departure will alter the balance of power between the remaining members, and what political re-orientations will be required to adapt to the new landscape.

For example, there is the balance of power between the eurozone and the remaining eight non-eurozone members. The 19 members may take decisions in order to guarantee the stability of the common currency, affecting non-members - concerning banks, for example. It was primarily Britain’s forceful diplomacy that had secured for the non-members the ability to block or water down some eurozone decisions under certain circumstances. Brexit means the non-members are going to be fewer and politically weaker. As a result, there is now a renewed debate in the Czech republic as to whether joining the eurozone may now be necessary to avoid political marginalisation. Similar debates will likely be seen in other non-member states in the near future.

Then there is the balance of power in Europe, which will radically change after Brexit. First of all, Britain's smaller liberal allies in the north, such as The Netherlands and Denmark, realise they will have to foster new relationships across the EU in order to form majorities. They often relied on the strong weight of the UK if they wanted to push or block an issue in Brussels. No more. In the future, they will need many more countries on their side in order to assemble the required amount of votes. This kind of coalition building requires a different tactical approach. It calls for less assertiveness, or in any case less often. Smallish countries like The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Austria will probably, as a result, slowly become more federalist.

Secondly, the north of Europe will lose approximately 12 percent of their voting weight after Brexit. The south will become more powerful. When the Spanish Prime Minister invited some colleagues from southern member states to Madrid for informal talks a few weeks ago, northern capitals suddenly paid attention.

One year ago, many seminars and conferences were titled ‘The Disintegration of Europe’ or ‘The End of Europe’. These titles have largely disappeared. What is debated now is ‘The Future of Europe’, focussing on the relaunch of the Franco-German axis or on flexible integration. The tone is already slightly more upbeat, also helped by the fact that decidedly pro-Europeans won recent elections in Austria and France, and to a certain extent The Netherlands. Brexit will fuel a brutal battle about money, no one has any illusion about that. But the idea of Brexit has largely been digested on the continent. After a long period of stagnation, it even enables them to move forward. This may well be what irks Mrs May the most.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Wed May 24, 2017 1:45 pm

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by паће on Wed May 24, 2017 1:51 pm

Што не сачека да изађу напоље - лепо пише иза њих да је акција вани.


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