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EU - what's next?

Post by William Murderface on Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:45 pm

Dugo sam imao utisak da bi opozicija francuske strane bila jača, ali više ne mislim tako. Svaki pokušaj produbljivanja unije propada zbog tvrdoglavog otpora CDU/CSU koje godinama pokušavaju da poštede svoje glasače minimuma solidarnosti sa građanima drugih evropskih zemalja. Čim se približe izbori, oni zaigraju na kartu nacionalne ekonomske sebičnosti – i sistematično potcenjuju spremnost većine nemačkih građana da učine poneki ustupak zbog sopstvenih dugoročnih interesa. Umesto sadašnjeg štetnog pravca delovanja treba im energično ponuditi jednu dobro utemeljenu i budućnosti okrenutu alternativu.
http://pescanik.net/spasavanje-evrope/


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Post by Gargantua on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:17 pm

Habermas wrote:...treba im energično ponuditi jednu dobro utemeljenu i budućnosti okrenutu alternativu.


Alternativa koja buši CDU/CSU je već tu:






Nemačka je nevoljan, neosetljiv i nesposoban hegemon koji u isto vreme iskorišćava i zanemaruje poremećaj ravnoteže moći u Evropi. To izaziva resantiman, naročito u drugim zemljama evrozone.

Tačno.

No, Francuska je trenutno u katatoniji iz koje se ne vidi izlaz, Renci je preslab, bilo ko u Madridu (PP verovatno) takođe, o ovima sa istoka ne treba trošiti više kilobajte...
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Post by ostap bender on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:33 pm

Pa kako ce pp da formira vladu? Pitam ozbiljno nisam pratio. Da nema eu pritiska i straha od grckog scenarija vec bi ps i podemos formirali vladu.


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Post by ostap bender on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:38 pm

A vidim sa manjinama i el raduletom imaju 175.


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Post by Gargantua on Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:52 pm

Ma nemam pojma, nisam ih pratio od izbora, ubacio sam više reda radi.

Vili će se setiti da sam mu na PM rekao da nema reforme EU same za sebe nego mora doći iz država članica, tj. pre svega iz Nemačke, kroz neku vrstu rekalibracije interne politike (ili kroz poraz CDU/CSU ili kroz njihovu promenu nakon pobede). Bez toga nema micanja.
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Post by Bluberi on Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:27 pm

Ovo je tačno.
Referendum u Britaniji ilustruje to stanje „post-demokratije“. Očigledno je da se infrastruktura bez koje ne možemo imati zdravu javnu sferu i utakmicu političkih stranaka – raspala.
A evo i parazita
Takođe, opšta tendencija sve dublje integracije političkih partija u organizacioni kompleks države je faktor koji treba vrlo ozbiljno shvatiti.
Mislim da greši o čvrstom jezgru povezanim eurom koji bi bio centripetalna sila za ostatak evropskih država i da bi se time opet ponovila istorija o čekanju u predsoblju onih zemalja koje ne ispunjavaju euro kriterijume. Opet bi novac bio taj koji ujedinjuje.
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Post by Gargantua on Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:15 pm

Pol Mejson, odgovara temi u grubim crtama:



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Everywhere, that is, except Europe – and, even in Europe, far-right extremism has been held at bay until now.
The problem is, politically, we have in one sense gone beyond the 1930s.

Force yourself to listen to the subtexts of social media: the organised hatred against black female actor Leslie Jones, the anonymous racism and misogyny, the habitual fusion of anti-left and anti-Islam hate. Force yourself – maybe just once – to watch what some people are watching every day: black kids murdered by US cops; Syrian kids blown to pieces by Assad, or Russia or the US airforce; bloggers crucified in public by Isis, the mangled bodies of French partygoers on the Nice seafront.

When Franco’s troops took Badajoz, and put 2,000 of its inhabitants against the wall in the early days of the Spanish civil war, the Wehrmacht’s military observer was so disgusted that he advised German troops should never be allowed to serve alongside Franco’s lest they become “brutalised”.

Today, an entire generation of humanity has been brutalised whether it experiences mass slaughter, rape and torture firsthand, or whether it simply sees the pictures and hears the stories. If you read any memoir from the 30s and the war years, there is almost always a moment of realisation: what a cadaver looks like; that prisoners can be shot; that the Geneva conventions may be flouted.

Sadly, in sheer brutality, we are past the 1930s – and in the struggle between governments and civilian populations the Geneva conventions do not apply.

The worst thing about the present – and millions of people feel it – is the momentum towards catharsis. It is impossible to imagine everything dying back to a boring stasis.


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On the face of it, we have two things the 1930s lacked. We have billions of educated and literate brains on the planet; and we have the concept of universal and inalienable human rights.

When, at the start of this unrest, I read Stephane Hessel’s Indignez Vous! (Time for Outrage) – one of the pamphlets that inspired the Occupy protests – I wondered why he dwelt so long on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Hessel had been a French resistance fighter and helped write the 1948 declaration. In an address to the youth of the tent camps in 2008, he spends several long paragraphs explaining why they fought so hard for the word “universal” and not “international”: “That is how to forestall the argument for full sovereignty that a state likes to make when it is carrying out crimes against humanity on its soil.”

Hessel’s generation understood that – even if it were all a figleaf for US hegemony – a global and universal system of human rights would leave a lasting legacy. Today, when a journalist or NGO worker stumbles on the scene of a massacre, they think – if they have been trained right – about evidence-gathering for a court first, the sensational scoop second.

So, no. This is not the 1930s with drones and trolls. We have – and must defend – a resilient global system. One glance at an uncensored social media timeline will tell you what happens if we let go of that.
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Post by Gargantua on Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:20 am

Freedom Party candidate Norbert Hofer has widened his lead in a Gallup poll ahead of October’s repeat election for the Austrian presidency.

Hofer lost by a whisker in May to former Green party leader Alexander van der Bellen in an election that Austria’s constitutional court this month ordered re-run due to vote count irregularities.

A series of Islamist attacks in Europe and Britain’s decision to leave the EU since the original vote have shuffled the political deck in neutral Austria.

The poll published by the Österreich paper on Sunday (31 July) showed the midpoint of the wide range of support for Hofer at 52% — one point higher than a poll in early July found — versus 48% for van der Bellen.

57% of the 600 respondents cited Hofer’s personality as the most important factor, followed by “protection from terror” at 56% and “more stringent asylum policy” at 55%, the paper said.

The poll also showed the anti-Islam and Eurosceptic Freedom Party (FPÖ) with record-high 35 % support, far ahead of the governing coalition partners: the centre-left Social Democrats at 25% and conservative People’s Party at 19%.
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http://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/right-wing-nationalist-set-to-win-rerun-austrian-presidential-race/
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Post by William Murderface on Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:55 pm

“An Utter Failure”: Joseph Stiglitz on the Euro and Europe’s Uncertain Future


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Post by паће on Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:12 pm

Ако је то онај штиглић на кога сам прво помислио, било би занимљиво наћи шта је причао кад је ово почињало. Јер ми се све чини да је један са тим презименом био идеолог тога.


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Post by William Murderface on Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:03 pm

Nisam baš sturčnjak, ali koliko znam, nije.


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Post by ezel on Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:28 pm

Eto

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Post by William Murderface on Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:32 pm



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Post by ezel on Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:33 pm

pardon premestaj onda


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Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:34 pm

Učini mi se Trump na momenat


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Post by Photino Bird on Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:39 pm

ili dete Kamerona i svinjske glave


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Post by William Murderface on Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:41 pm



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Post by Gargantua on Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:53 pm

23 minutes ago
This result may be exactly how this re-run election will play out!

According to The Local newspaper in Austria, Van der Bellen's lead is reportedly unassailable. Van de Bellen is expected to be Austria's next President.
 
 



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29 minutes ago
So far this election result signals good news for Europe's political establishment, which has been reeling from a wave of populist political movements.


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31 minutes ago
Polls in Austria have closed and the vote is being tabulated. According to preliminary results, Van der Bellen appears to be in the lead.
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Post by Gargantua on Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:02 pm

hofer priznao poraz
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Post by Photino Bird on Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:10 pm



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Post by Filipenko on Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:31 pm

HOROR U NEMAČKOJ Ćerka evropskog zvaničnika silovana i ubijena, uhapšen migrant iz Avganistana


Nadajmo se da će se sve rešiti kao kod slučaja kada je migrant u Beču na bazenu silovao dete poreklom iz Srbije.

Što bi uskok rekao, sistem koji funkcioniše!
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Post by Gargantua on Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:54 pm

muškarci glasali 56:44 za hofera, žene glasale 62:38 za belena
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Post by Photino Bird on Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:04 pm

Živile drugarice žene!


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Post by William Murderface on Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:18 pm

Uh. That was close


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Post by Radagast on Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:35 pm

Dobro je i na simbolicnom planu, jer je Van Der Belen prekinuo naizgled nezaustavljivi niz pobeda reakcionarnih snaga.


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