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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:46 pm

    No Country for Old Man wrote:
    zastitnik gotama wrote:Bila dva svetska rata izmedju , jedna socijalisticka revolucija i radikalna emancipacija, al ono da linearno je.


    Istinito zbori fernoux dobar srpski liberal oce da "rascara" srpsku istoriju, da je demitologizuje, a onda mu damjan pavlica okaci dva odlomka na Pescanik i upadne u skroz kafanski "istorija se uvek ponavlja" moud.
    Немогуће је не опажати pattern-e, наш је мозак тако устројен. Видим да си прочитао Павлицу на Пешчанику, а баш сам дошао да ти оставим линк:



    Е сад ти мени кажи: шта је овде погрешно? Једино Косово са ким је српска политика (и српска политичка митологија, а у случају Косова та два се уопште не разликују, што и јесте проблем) икада рачунала је оно где су Албанци сведени на северноамеричке Индијанце: по резерватима, и више фолклорно-туристичког значаја. А у међувремену су их "Индијанци" популационо а богами и политички сасвим надјачали, а што због нечег није ни најмање утицало на горњи мит. Јербо је таква природа мита: да је отпоран на стварност. 

    Коначно, оће све то и да удари на стомак, мора негде - збиља, можда није требало да те прекоревам? Више ми је засметао извесни entitlement у том твом "сере ми се", као да имаш неко генско право да будеш такав сероња?
    Ne sere mi se od ukazivanja na sprske zlocine na Kosovu, to je ispravno za raditi. Sere mi se od pravljenja analogije izmedju 1912te i sadasnjeg vremena. Faktori onog doba su srpski (tu racunam crnogrski) i bugarski nacionalizam, koji reaguju na nestanak Otomanskog carstva.

    Faktori (osobito nacionalisticki, imperalani i militaristicki faktori) daleko prevazilaze Srbe, Albance (a bogami i Bugare). Dosta je jednostrano meriti ovo vreme onim arsinima. Tucovic bi zelim da verujem podjednako razumeo trenutak na jebiga potpuno razlicit nacin od Damjana Pavlice jer nije bio liberalcic nego dosta dosledan socijalista.

    To je sve.


    Osim toga populaciono i politicko nadjacavanje Srba je pomalo u nesaglsju s tezom da je zivot Albanaca u Srbiji i Jugoslavijama bio samo  istorija represije. Srbija, sa starom i SHS jesu zloscrecne drzave po danasnjim kriterijima ali su ujedno bile kraj jedne srednjevekovne imperije koja je svom stanovnistvu nudila uglavnom nista. Socijalisticka Jugoslavija je u nacelu zlo, ali je ujedno nudila jednu vrstu autoritarne emancipacije. Albanci su kao i svi drugi stanovnici tih drzava u izvesnom meru prosperirali onim aspektima u kojma su te drzave svojim stanovnicima omogucile.
    Gargantua wrote:
    Masakr u Baru.
    Video sam sinoć u autobusu, vraćajući se kući, čoveka koji plače i ne krije svoje suze. Znao sam da je umro Tito: on nas je naučio da ništa ne krijemo. Za njim, čovek plače bez stida. Sa njim, čovek je na samom vrelu otvorene jednostavnosti. Ko je, stvarno, govorio kao on jednostavno i smireno, i u najsloženijoj situaciji, kao da ne želi ni za jedan jedincati stepen suvišne rečitosti i intenzivnijega tona da se odvoji od stvarnosti?(...). Ta je otvorenost tako veličanstveno otelotvorena u onome čoveku, sinoć, u autobusu, koji plače i ne krije svoje suze, i koga sad pozdravljam: plači samo, čoveče, svaka tvoja suza je dragocena kap u sjaju slobode, sve veće, za tebe samoga: za Tita. Plači i gledaj nas. Mi te gledamo. Mi se vidimo: mi smo zajedno»


    No Country for Old Man wrote:
    Veletin wrote:Svima vama kojima su Draža, Nedić i Ljotić  zločinci, a njihovi pandani među kosovskim Albancima borci za slobodu, svima vama kojima ne smeta proterivanje i genocid nad dunavskim Švabama posle kojih nije od njih ostalo ni traga ni glasa, a lijete suze nad aparthejdom, proterivanjem i ostalim zlodelima nad kosovskim Albancima koji su učetvorostručili svoju brojnost za to vreme ne vredi prezentirati bilo kakve činjenice. Tucović i Kosovo - Page 2 2304934895
    Можеш да почнеш од тога што ћеш
    а) навести ко су пандани Дражи, Недићу и Љотићу међу косовским Албанцима, поименце, и
    б) где их ја то називам борцима за слободу, или, алтернативно:
    в) ко их и где назива борцима за слободу.

    А свима вама којима Дража, Недић и Љотић нису злочинци - имам да поручим само једно.

    a) Mustafa Merlika Kruja, Sefket Verlaci, Malik Mushati

    v) ko god relativizuje saradnju sa okupatorom, pa makar i polozajem albanca u kraljevini Jugoslaviji.


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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:14 pm

    Autoritarna emancipacija. Tucović i Kosovo - Page 2 3579118792 Bra'o!


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:45 pm

    uspeo da izgovori.


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    ne razumem Tucović i Kosovo - Page 2 1949538119
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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:47 pm

    emancipacija odozgo, kao Petar Veliki...

    narod imo svoje probleme interes i sukobe, samo nalzio nacina da ih ostvari kroz partiju.... i to se vremenom odvjalo, partija nije sluzila nicemu a narod se pobio.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:50 pm

    jao suvare :facepalm:

    no on subject: bilo je albanskih partizana a drenicki ustanak je dobrim delom imao karakter i unutaralbanskog obracuna. ima ljubisa ristic dobru predstavu o tome 'siptar'


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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:51 pm

    a cekaj , ajde ipak oftopik

    oces da kazes da jugoslovensko drustvo nije bilo autoritarno
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:02 pm

    matrix


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:03 pm

    mislim imali smo ove rasprave.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:04 pm

    ontopic: istorija kosova nije samo istorija represije ali taj deo koincidira sa socijalizmom.


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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:09 pm

    imali smo Tucović i Kosovo - Page 2 1399639816 ti si mi rekao mogao si da kupis (krajem sedamdesetih i pocetkom osamdesetih) versku stampu, samo ne javno na kioskku nego ti posalju postom. I to je dokaz da nije autoritarno


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    ne moramo opet.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:12 pm

    rekao sam ti mnogo toga al si ti to zapamtio.


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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:14 pm

    Zajedništvo je najbolje funkcionisalo kod para Tucović i Kosovo - Page 2 1399639816

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    Post by Erős Pista Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:18 pm

    Naravno da SFRJ jeste bila u nekim aspektima autoritarna, ali Harvi Dent je tvrdio da je bila totalitarna, sto je drugi par rukava.


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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:21 pm

    dosta sam pazljivo piso , jer se radi o Kosovou i tu treba biti obazriv...ako oces da odrzavas ovu moju pickastu poziciju.


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    reko si i da je sistem dozvoljavao da se kroz njega izrazi plurazlizam interesa i svetonazora (sto je i omogucilo impresivnu subverzivnu umetnicku scenu).


    To nije istina jednostavno.
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    Post by Veletin Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:23 pm

    ШИПТАРСКИ ГЕНОЦИД НАД СРБИМА У 20. ВЕКУ
    Документа Архиве
    Епархије рашко-призренске и косовско-метохијске
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:24 pm

    ja sam ti zakacio i jedno sasvim dobro istrazivanje onih slovenaca ali si preko njega protrcao.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:32 pm

    super sto smo zakljucili da je tucovic pase ali da crnorizacki almanah cini sam vrh. kantikulum za lajbovica.


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    Post by Veletin Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:33 pm

    polemišemo Tucović i Kosovo - Page 2 2304934895
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:40 pm

    hvala veletina posto sam upravo otkrio da je seca manastirske sume genocid.


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    Post by Veletin Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:45 pm

    ostap bender wrote:hvala veletina posto sam upravo otkrio da je seca manastirske sume genocid.

    naravno,
    ukoliko između ostalih zverstava planski uništavaš resurse neophodne za opstanak.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:45 pm

    saruman ratni zločinac. koliko je samo drveća palo pod njegovom vladavinom.


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    Post by Veletin Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:47 pm

    The crime of genocide is defined in international law in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.

    "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:57 pm

    veletine,1933. godine. kradja sume. imas li predstavu sta su im zandarmi napravili kada su ih nasli?


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    Post by Veletin Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:02 am

    mog pradedu žandara su 1926 na prepolcu ubili albanci koji su krali šumu.

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