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Re: a future to believe in

Post by ostap bender on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:18 pm

Kinder Lad wrote:
ostap bender wrote:pa mislim da treba razlikovati politicku agitaciju i neko, hajmo reci, naucno misljenje. treba podrzati bernija ali vec smo videli da su klasicni modeli danas nedostatni i lomljivi. poziv za misljenje je sasvim ok. nakon sto izaberemo bernija za predsednika, naravno.

ma to je ok, nego ovo je problem

What the history of both Keynesianism and neoliberalism show is that it’s not enough to oppose a broken system. 

kako to oba pokazuju?

I ovo

The left has produced no new framework of economic thought for 80 years. This is why the zombie walks

Pa prijatelju sam si pokazao i dokazao u tekstu zašto nije proizvela.

No. First show me the money. Politika je, pre svega, praksa.

pa kejnzijanstvo je udarilo u hrid neoliberalizma. cela ta politicka teleologija progresa je dosla do svog ishodista sa pricom o kraju istorije. 

ja ne mislim da je nasa kriza kriza ekonomske vec prvenstveno politicke misli
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by zvezda je zivot on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:21 pm

@KinderLad, tako je! politika je praksa misljenja i borbe. a ne homework koji traze zizek i njegov ljubimac krugman. svi ti pozivi na 'misljenje' uglavnom se svode na objektivizaciju politike.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:24 pm

ostap bender wrote:
Kinder Lad wrote:

ma to je ok, nego ovo je problem



kako to oba pokazuju?

I ovo



Pa prijatelju sam si pokazao i dokazao u tekstu zašto nije proizvela.

No. First show me the money. Politika je, pre svega, praksa.

pa kejnzijanstvo je udarilo u hrid neoliberalizma. cela ta politicka teleologija progresa je dosla do svog ishodista sa pricom o kraju istorije. 

ja ne mislim da je nasa kriza kriza ekonomske vec prvenstveno politicke misli

pa to znači da se slažemo

vidi šta je on napisao

A coherent alternative has to be proposed. For Labour, the Democrats and the wider left, the central task should be to develop an economic Apollo programme,
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by ostap bender on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:25 pm

misljenje je najteza borba

zizek je vec neko vreme u panic modu.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by ostap bender on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:25 pm

@kinder: slazemo se. samo ne bih monobota tek tako ubacio u krugmanovski kalup.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:26 pm

ostap bender wrote:@kinder: slazemo se. samo ne bih monobota tek tako ubacio u krugmanovski kalup.

pa ok, nisam rekao da je Hillarijevac  jer verovatno i nije
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by zvezda je zivot on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:31 pm

nije bitno da l je hilarijevac. to je to misljenje. framework homework a sta cete sutra. ideologija radi kroz ta pitanja.

inace nisam procito monbiotov tekst.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Bluberi on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:33 pm

ostap bender wrote:misljenje je najteza borba

zizek je vec neko vreme u panic modu.
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by ostap bender on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:35 pm

Bluberi wrote:
ostap bender wrote:misljenje je najteza borba

zizek je vec neko vreme u panic modu.


@zvezda: nisam ni ja.
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:36 pm

ja jesam i to pre svih, zna Will


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by William Murderface on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:39 pm

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Re: a future to believe in

Post by zvezda je zivot on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:40 pm

inace jos nije izaso video grimes sa sandersom. ali znamo uz koju je pesmu se pojavio sanders. pesma je oblivion, njen najveci hit, sto je super jer je tad publika najuzbudjenija.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:41 pm



A coherent alternative has to be proposed

E ima još nešto. Dok se bude smišljala "koherentna alternativa" biće alternativa za nemačku. ili nešto slično što se neće previše baviti detaljima


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by otto katz on Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:47 pm

I'm campaignin' here! Just how New York are the presidential candidates?

Hillary Clinton is as New York as an NYU freshman from Minneapolis taking a trip on the Sex and the City tour bus.
John Kasich is as New York as a discount “I [Heart] NY” T-shirt at a kiosk in Newark airport.
Ted Cruz is as New York as a party of Citigroup analysts sitting front-row at American Psycho: The Musical.
Donald Trump is as New York as accidentally giving inaccurate subway directions to a tourist.

If Donald Trump is what every non-New Yorker thinks of when they think of New York, Bernie Sanders is what every New Yorker thinks of when they think of real New York.

The verdict: Bernie Sanders is New York.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by William Murderface on Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:50 pm



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Post by Bluberi on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:23 pm

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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Bluberi on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:31 pm

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The Sanders campaign says more than 28,000 people attended this afternoon's rally in Prospect Park in Brooklyn.
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by William Murderface on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:32 pm

Sad se čuo sa kumom iz NY, kaže da neće moći da glasa jer je zakasnio svega nedelju dana sa regeistracijom (tamo u oktobru, kad li beše). Kakvo ludilo ti closed primaries, jbt.

A hteo da glasa za Bernija


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Bluberi on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:45 pm

Jebiga. Ali za utehu izgleda da ovo prerasta u jak pokret.
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by ostap bender on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:48 pm

pa u nastavku rasprave sa djb topika - ovo je antisistemski pokret.


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Re: a future to believe in

Post by Bluberi on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:51 pm

Normalno.
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Re: a future to believe in

Post by zvezda je zivot on Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:56 pm

ja nisam siguran da uopste razumem kako idu taj njujorski prajmri. oktobarski rok vazi za vec registrovane independente, republikance i ostale da se registruju ko demokrate. a martovski rok je za neregistrovane da se registruju. el tako?

misim debilana u svakom slucaju, privatizovan politicki proces.


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Re: a future to believe in

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