Kapitalizam 101

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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Gargantua on Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:13 pm

William Murderface wrote:Neće biti beskućnika, biće dovoljno sredstava za sve. Roboti će da grade kuće, a mi ćemo da filozofiramo, rešavamo matematičke probleme, slikamo, igramo, pišemo pesme i bavimo se samousavršavanjem različite vrste.

na kraju će biti to samo ćemo na putu do toga morati ljudski da se poubijamo, izrasturamo razne aspekte tekućih poredaka i izmenimo lice zemlje.

a sve smo to već radili, samo na manjem redu veličina.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Indy on Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:32 pm

William Murderface wrote:Ma nie bitan termin, naravno, hoću da kažem da se potpuno menja mesto i značaj ljudskog rada u ekonomiji i to će ili voditi radikalnoj promeni koncepta zasluge, svojine, pravične zarade, itd - "komunizam" iz Marksove vizije, ili teramo ovako pa gde stignemo, a ako nastavimo ovim putem stižemo u varvastvo.


Ima o tome diskusija na redditu. A i komentari...

Is a Communist future inevitable?
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First off because the word communism scares certain regardless of context (not naming any groups in particular) I will specify that I am not talking about the near future but the far future.

In the modern world the reason capitalism has worked so well is because there is a finite amount of resources in the world and capitalism is a system that forces people to compete for those finite resources which forces people to innovate in order to continue receiving those resources.

Now the reason communism in the 20th century collapsed was because since resources are so finite there was no way to properly divide all of their resources between everyone. This combined communist countries falling behind capitalist country economically because of a lack of competition lead innovation led to the fall of communism.

But recently I had a thought that was sparked when I was listening to an episode of the podcast Hello internet. In the episode I was listening too they were talking about self-driving cars and the possibility of a drastic increase in the amount of automation in the workforce leading to us being able to create a lot more with a lot fewer workers. They then went on to talk about what to do about all the people who will lose their jobs over this. Then there was one term that got me thinking, and that term was a post scarcity society.

This term means a society that has advanced to the point where resources are no longer finite. And I just kept thinking about the industrial revolution and how drastically resource production increased in such a short amount of time. This makes me think that maybe humans will reach this post scarcity world withing 500 years through automation and technological advancement. And if there is no shortage of resources that are easily accessible why would anyone want to work, let alone do hard labour? Humans might leave not only the labour force but also the workforce altogether. Leading to a weird form of communism where everyone is economically equal.

If you want want to imagine what I mean here think of the movie Wall-E. No humans work in that movie yet everyone seems to have everything in abundance and economic equality. That is what I mean by is Communism inevitable.

What do you guys think about this? I haven't been able to get this out of my mind for a while so I thought I would see what the people here thought about this.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by William Murderface on Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:39 pm

E, hvala na linku! Razumemo se, onda.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by bruno sulak on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:09 pm

ja bih samo da dodam da ce se ljudi i seksati pored resavanja matematickih problema.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Indy on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:10 pm

Nadam se da će to biti sa seks roboticama.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by bruno sulak on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:12 pm

ili robotima. po izboru.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Indy on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:13 pm

Super, komunizam sa izborom, to već ne zvuči loše.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by William Murderface on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:22 pm



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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by William Murderface on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:29 pm

Totalni bizar, zar ne?

Ja sam to svojevremeno uhvatio uživo na tv-u, samo su ovde isekli kraj kad zorica marković uhvati Minu Kostić pod mišku, i nosi je po bini.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by William Murderface on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:31 pm

Evo ga duži snimak! Polgedaj od 3:40.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:41 pm

malo su nas bombardovali.
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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:27 pm

Ili komunizam, ili varvarstvo, kazete? Pa dobro, kako bi izgledalo to varvarstvo? Nije valjda bas toliko lose.
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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by паће on Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:17 pm

William Murderface wrote:Neće biti beskućnika, biće dovoljno sredstava za sve. Roboti će da grade kuće, a mi ćemo da filozofiramo, rešavamo matematičke probleme, slikamo, igramo, pišemo pesme i bavimo se svršavanjem različite vrste.

Имао си тамо вишак слова.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by ontheotherhand on Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:48 am

If you want want to imagine what I mean here think of the movie Wall-E. No humans work in that movie yet everyone seems to have everything in abundance and economic equality. That is what I mean by is Communism inevitable.
Wall-E, zašto bi iko želeo takvu budućnost, pa to je distopija.
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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Indy on Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:02 am


http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/932424




(Nisam gledao btw.)


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by bruno sulak on Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:18 pm

in the future there will be no robot left behind


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Indy on Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:21 pm

Znam da me je to na nešto podsetilo...


In the future everyone will have the same haircut and the same clothes.
In the future everyone will be very fat from the starchy diet.
In the future everyone will be very thin from not having enough to eat.
In the future it will be next to impossible to tell girls from boys, even in bed.

In the future men will be 'super masculine' and women will be 'ultra-feminine'.
In the future half of us will be 'mentally ill'.
In the future there will be no religion or spiritualism of any sort.
In the future the 'psychic arts' will be put to practical use.

In the future we will not think that 'nature' is beautiful.
In the future the weather will always be the same.
In the future no one will fight with anyone else.
In the future there will be an atomic war.

In the future water will be expensive.
In the future all material items will be free.
In the future everyone's house will be like a little fortress.
In the future everyone's house will be a total entertainment centre.

In the future everyone but the wealthy will be very happy.
In the future everyone but the wealthy will be very filthy.
In the future everyone but the wealthy will be very healthy.
In the future TV will be so good that the printed word will function as an art form only.

In the future people with boring jobs will take pills to relieve the boredom.
In the future no one will live in cities.
In the future there will be mini-wars going on everywhere.
In the future everyone will think about love all the time.

In the future political and other decisions will be based completely on opinion polls.
In the future there will be machines which will produce a religious experience in the user.
In the future there will be groups of wild people, living in the wilderness


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by zvezda je zivot on Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:34 pm

nego el istina sto se prica da u komunizmu nece biti umetnosti?


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by bruno sulak on Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:57 pm

daj boze!


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by ontheotherhand on Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:54 am

Jel ima negde puna verzija ove knjige, našao sam samo ovu skraćenu.


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Indy on Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:46 am



Why this inspiring teen went right back to work after car accident


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by William Murderface on Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:53 am

Ko je gledao onaj Bernijev nastup u Kenosi, mogao je da primeti sa kakvom ucestaloscu se, na svaki pomen podizanja minimalca, potezu radnici u Meku - zar njima da damo vece plate?


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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by Anduril on Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:34 pm

Monbiot o selebritijima kao o novom licu bezlicnih korporacija gde je Tramp predsednik logican nastavak:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/20/celebrity-corporate-machine-fame-big-business-donald-trump-kim-kardashian
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Re: Kapitalizam 101

Post by паће on Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:29 pm

Место свога да твој живот живе...


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