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Post by Miki on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:08 pm

Najnormalnije je da Huff Post objavi nešto ovog tipa nadrealnosti.
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Post by Utvara on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:29 pm

+1
Uopšte me tako nešto ne bi iznenadilo. Apsolutno nije daleko od pameti da HuffPo tako nešto objavi. Nije to neka bogzna kako pouzdana i proverena novina od integriteta sa godinama novinarstva iza sebe nego propagandno glasilo Demokratske partije i njihovih trabanata. Fox News za dobrostojeće progresivne amerikance, čitaju to da bi se bolje osećali.
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Re: PC tiranija

Post by паће on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:33 pm

А могуће је да и Демси крећу са луђењем, све рачунајући да је Трампу то пошло за руком, па ајде и ми.


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Post by Miki on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:36 pm

Ne znam, možda je Creepy Uncle bio čak satiričan sa svojom opaskom o 15 minuta i Huff Postu, ali ne bih rekao. 

Mislim, ko malo više prati stvarno majku mu zna da su potpuno ludi. Evo majke mi ne guram sad neku alt right spiku, zadnje čega se konkretno sećam je dete od 10 godina u drag queen autfitu i kepšn uz to "Budućnost je queer".
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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:42 pm

Creepy Uncle wrote:Voleo bih da provedem petnaest minuta u glavi nekoga ko misli da bi HuffPost ikada objavio ovakav članak.

Ja ne bih.


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Post by disident on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:45 pm

Lol vidi stvarno fejk


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Post by William Murderface on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:45 pm

Miki wrote:Ne znam, možda je Creepy Uncle bio čak satiričan sa svojom opaskom o 15 minuta i Huff Postu, ali ne bih rekao. 

Mislim, ko malo više prati stvarno majku mu zna da su potpuno ludi. Evo majke mi ne guram sad neku alt right spiku, zadnje čega se konkretno sećam je dete od 10 godina u drag queen autfitu i kepšn uz to "Budućnost je queer".


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Post by William Murderface on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:48 pm

Utvara wrote:+1
Uopšte me tako nešto ne bi iznenadilo. Apsolutno nije daleko od pameti da HuffPo tako nešto objavi. Nije to neka bogzna kako pouzdana i proverena novina od integriteta sa godinama novinarstva iza sebe nego propagandno glasilo Demokratske partije i njihovih trabanata. Fox News za dobrostojeće progresivne amerikance, čitaju to da bi se bolje osećali.


Ne mislim nista narocito dobro o HuffPo, ali spekulisati na osnovu izmisljenog clanka je najblaze receno prilicno nepametno.


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Post by disident on Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:53 pm

Ma meni je zakazao mozak potpuno, gde mericki pc sektasi dudare po mornarickim fokama, pa i tajlandskim


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Post by Creepy Uncle on Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:32 pm

Ok, dakle HuffPost bi se bavio mačo kulturom tajlandskih specijalaca, pošto je to sada tema brojnih polemika u liberalnim domovima, very divisive issue. Svašta ovde ima da se pročita.


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Post by disident on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:08 am

Otrov liberaskog jednoumlja ne poznaje granice


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Re: PC tiranija

Post by Utvara on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:23 am

William Murderface wrote:
Utvara wrote:+1
Uopšte me tako nešto ne bi iznenadilo. Apsolutno nije daleko od pameti da HuffPo tako nešto objavi. Nije to neka bogzna kako pouzdana i proverena novina od integriteta sa godinama novinarstva iza sebe nego propagandno glasilo Demokratske partije i njihovih trabanata. Fox News za dobrostojeće progresivne amerikance, čitaju to da bi se bolje osećali.


Ne mislim nista narocito dobro o HuffPo, ali spekulisati na osnovu izmisljenog clanka je najblaze receno prilicno nepametno.
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Ne razumem, to je Kurir za Kalifornijance, postoje već neko vreme. Nije mi ovo prvi put da čujem za HuffPo, niti štogod špekulišem. Ne bi me čudilo, to sam rekao. Imali su oni skandal sa krađom članaka i eksperiment kada njihove članke nisu pisali ljudi, nego algoritmi.
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Post by Utvara on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:26 am

Creepy Uncle wrote:Ok, dakle HuffPost bi se bavio mačo kulturom tajlandskih specijalaca, pošto je to sada tema brojnih polemika u liberalnim domovima, very divisive issue. Svašta ovde ima da se pročita.

Toxic masculinity je prosto buzzword koji su oni gurali svuda gde ne treba.
Trenutno popularan dogadjaj + toxic masculinity = huffpo.
Drvoseče + toxic masculinity= why we need to talk about drvoseče i njihova gej osećanja, muževne hipsterske brade, eto ti podnaslova i teme.
Thai Navy seals + toxic masculinity = lol huffpo is at it again
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Re: PC tiranija

Post by Miki on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:36 am

Da.

Creepy Uncle je deluje mi Vasilij, Blind Lime Pie itd? On ima običaj da raznoraznim pojedincima a posebno entitetima mejnstrim zapadnog društva pridaje mnogo veći nivo ozbiljnosti i razumnosti nego što zaslužuju.
Huff Post je razularena plaćenička banda ljudskih olupina, ne bi se iznenadio da sutra okače kurac koji peva a ne tekst o toksičnoj muževnosti ikoga na svetu.
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Re: PC tiranija

Post by Utvara on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:38 am

Ointagru Unartan wrote:
Creepy Uncle wrote:Voleo bih da provedem petnaest minuta u glavi nekoga ko misli da bi HuffPost ikada objavio ovakav članak.

Ja ne bih.
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Re: PC tiranija

Post by паће on Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:51 am

Кад смо код политичке коректуре језика, желим банкарима који су измислили да реч токсичан може да значи пи какано (пре свега мислећи ту на папире које су распродали а онда признали да су безвредни), да се једном забуне па лизну нешто токсично све мислећи да то значи нешто што се само сраме признати.


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Re: PC tiranija

Post by Летећи Полип on Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:21 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law


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Post by Летећи Полип on Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:29 pm

In my previous life, I was a self-righteous social justice crusader. I would use my mid-sized Twitter and Facebook platforms to signal my wokeness on topics such as LGBT rights, rape culture, and racial injustice. Many of the opinions I held then are still opinions that I hold today. But I now realize that my social-media hyperactivity was, in reality, doing more harm than good.

Within the world created by the various apps I used, I got plenty of shares and retweets. But this masked how ineffective I had become outside, in the real world. The only causes I was actually contributing to were the causes of mobbing and public shaming. Real change does not stem from these tactics. They only cause division, alienation, and bitterness.

How did I become that person? It happened because it was exhilarating. Every time I would call someone racist or sexist, I would get a rush. That rush would then be reaffirmed and sustained by the stars, hearts, and thumbs-up that constitute the nickels and dimes of social media validation. The people giving me these stars, hearts, and thumbs-up were engaging in their own cynical game: A fear of being targeted by the mob induces us to signal publicly that we are part of it.


https://quillette.com/2018/07/14/i-was-the-mob-until-the-mob-came-for-me/


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Post by Djamolidine Abdoujaparov on Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:33 am

pesma:

How-To

If you got hiv, say aids. If you a girl,
say you’re pregnant––nobody gonna lower
themselves to listen for the kick. People
passing fast. Splay your legs, cock a knee
funny. It’s the littlest shames they’re likely
to comprehend. Don’t say homeless, they know
you is. What they don’t know is what opens
a wallet, what stops em from counting
what they drop. If you’re young say younger.
Old say older. If you’re crippled don’t
flaunt it. Let em think they’re good enough
Christians to notice. Don’t say you pray,
say you sin. It’s about who they believe
they is. You hardly even there.

sledi autrejdž

a onda i izvinjenje urednika:

Editor’s note: On July 24, 2018, The Nation and its poetry editors, Stephanie Burt and Carmen Giménez Smith, made this statement about the poem below, which contains disparaging and ableist language that has given offense and caused harm to members of several communities:
As poetry editors, we hold ourselves responsible for the ways in which the work we select is received. We made a serious mistake by choosing to publish the poem “How-To.”  We are sorry for the pain we have caused to the many communities affected by this poem. We recognize that we must now earn your trust back.  Some of our readers have asked what we were thinking. When we read the poem we took it as a profane, over-the-top attack on the ways in which members of many groups are asked, or required, to perform the work of marginalization. We can no longer read the poem in that way.


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Re: PC tiranija

Post by паће on Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:48 am

Вербални деликт! Што се не оглашавају те НВОјке за људска права!


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Post by disident on Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:01 am

Kad vec nemamo temu Gamad akademska 



[size=40]What’s Going on With Avital Ronell, the Prominent Theorist Accused of Harassment?
By Amanda Arnold@aMandolinz[/size]


Chris Kraus, Avital Ronell, Judith Butler. Photo: Louisiana Channel/Youtube, European Graduate School Video Lectures/Youtube, Getty Images
In September 2017, New York University launched a Title IX investigation into Avital Ronell, an internationally acclaimed professor who had been accused of sexual harassment by her former graduate student, Nimrod Reitman. This past summer, the news circulated among academics, compelling a number of prominent authors and feminists to publicly — and in some cases, surprisingly — vocalize their support of Ronell.
It wasn’t until August, though, when the New York Times reported that Ronell had been found responsible for sexual harassment, that the story exited the insular world of academia and became another flash point in the ongoing debate about consent, power, and harassment: As the Times’ headline put it, What Happens to #MeToo When a Feminist Is the Accused?

Who is Avital Ronell?

Ronell, 66, is a renowned professor of German and Comparative Literature at New York University. Before being suspended for the coming year, she had taught at NYU for more than two decades. She was also the academic adviser to Nimrod Reitman, a 34-year-old visiting fellow at Harvard who started his Ph.D. program at NYU in the fall of 2012. Reitman claims that Ronell’s predatory behavior toward him began months before his first day of classes. (Ronell is a lesbian, and Reitman is a gay man.)

What are the allegations against her?

In spring of 2012, Reitman says that Ronell asked him to spend a few days with her in Paris, where he says she put his “hands onto her breasts, and was pressing herself — her buttocks — onto [his] crotch,” and then kissed him all over; he claims that incident repeated itself later in the evening as well. During Hurricane Sandy in October 2012, Reitman says that Ronell, whose power had gone out from the storm, repeatedly showed up to sleep as his apartment. Throughout his academic career, he alleges, Ronell “subjected [him] to sexual harassment, sexual assault, and stalking.” In emails that Reitman provided to the Times, Ronell referred to him as “Sweet cuddly Baby,” “cock-er spaniel,” and “my astounding and beautiful Nimrod.”



In his 56-page lawsuit, Reitman also claims that Ronell “asserted complete domination and control over his life,” and would threaten his Ph.D. career.
Ronell has vehemently denied harassing Reitman. “Our communications — which Reitman now claims constituted sexual harassment — were between two adults, a gay man and a queer woman, who share an Israeli heritage, as well as a penchant for florid and campy communications,” she told the Times. A few days later, she told the Associated Press that the emails were merely affectionate, not sexual, and called them a “gay-coded” correspondence. A lawyer for her also told the Times she “denies all allegations of sexual contact in their entirety.”

Who’s taking Ronell’s side?

In June, iconic queer theorist Judith Butler, Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek, self-described “practical Marxist-feminist-deconstructionist” Gayatri Spivak, and other academics sent a letter to NYU officials in support of Ronell, who they maintained was an innocent women who was being unfairly subjected to malicious accusations.
“We have all seen her relationship with students, and some of us know the individual who has waged this malicious campaign against her,” reads the letter, which was published by Brian Leiter on his philosophy blog. “We deplore the damage that this legal proceeding causes her, and seek to register in clear terms our objection to any judgment against her. We hold that the allegations against her do not constitute actual evidence, but rather support the view that malicious intention has animated and sustained this legal nightmare.”
After the Times article came outNYU professor Lisa Duggan also weighed-in, in a blog post in which she close-reads the email correspondence between Ronell and Reitman like a text, arguing that it could be interpreted through the lens of “queer intimacy,” where “romantic language does not necessarily signify sexual desire.” “Forms of intimacy well outside the parameters of heterosexual (and, homosexual) courtship and marriage are commonplace among queers who not clearly separate friendship and romance, partnership and romantic friendship,” she argued.
Columbia University professor and respected queer theorist Jack Halberstam promoted Duggan’s piece on Twitter, calling it “a clear, politically savvy take.”

This is a clear, politically savvy take on the Ronell case by Lisa Duggan Enough of the he said/she said, let's move to the analysis. Enough twitter outrage, and facebook high horse, read this, circulate and get real!! https://t.co/JUND9AyG6A pic.twitter.com/LJY8GX286H
— Jack Halberstam (@Jhalberstam) August 18, 2018
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The latest prominent voice to join the discourse is author Chris Kraus of the feminist cult-classic I Love Dick, who wrote an impassioned blog post on Sunday accusing Reitman of feigning “helplessness” and being opportunistic. “Those outside this world don’t seem to realize that Reitman — or any Ph.D student at NYU — is hardly an innocent,” she wrote.
As criticism of Ronell’s supporters mounted, some began to walk back on their original statements. On Monday, Butler issued an apology to the Chronicle of High Education, saying that, while she can only speak for herself, the letter should not have “have attributed motives to the complainant.”
“Our aim was not to defend her actions — we did not have the case in hand — but to oppose the termination of her employment as a punishment,” she wrote. “Such a punishment seemed unfair given the findings as we understood them. In hindsight, those of us who sought to defend Ronell against termination surely ought to have been more fully informed of the situation if we were going to make an intervention.”

This can’t be going over well…

It’s not! Those critical of Ronell’s supporters — the high-profile ones in particular — say they’re behaving hypocritically and their arguments are fundamentally misguided, since they fail to take into account the power differential that exists in academia between a professor and their advisee, as well as between a world-famous theorist and a grad student. They’re also appalled by the way in which Ronell’s supporters have tried to discredit Reitman.

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[ltr]it simply is no secret to anyone within a mile of the german or comp lit departments at NYU that avital is an emotional abuser. that’s not a shocking allegation; that’s a boring, plain, socially agreed upon fact, passed from one grad student to the next for years.[/ltr]



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[ltr]that other, more egregious forms of abuse existed would therefore be no surprise to me. nor should it be to anyone familiar with the glamours of academic celebrity, which regularly and perhaps almost by definition conceal abusive, temperamental, entitled, often infantile behavior[/ltr]
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[ltr]what senior academics defending Ronell do not understand: how angry a younger generation (many lured into the academy by their work or stuff like it) are at them given the landscape of casualization and how perfectly this case seems to emblematize that injustice[/ltr]
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[ltr]The majority of folks I see talking about Ronell case are profs or have left academia, but grad students do have thoughts about this. The thing is we are afraid of saying something publicly that will piss someone off and jeopardize us. THATS the power dynamics that are stake here[/ltr]
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[ltr]Right, nah, I’m fucking sorry but this queer non-binary queen has something to say. I am absolutely disgusted and dismayed at those I consider my academic inspirations, Lisa Duggan, Jack Halberstam, Judith Butler and other queer theorists coming out in support of Avital Ronell[/ltr]
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“The Ronell cheerleaders,” Jo Livingstone writes at The New Republic, “are almost universally intellectuals who once upon a time considered themselves cultural outsiders — queer theorists, postcolonial scholars, feminist thinkers. They act as if they are a politicized coalition defending a vulnerable person, without the awareness that they are now the tenured, the published, the well-off, the powerful: precisely the demographic that #MeToo proposes to investigate.”
At the Chronicle of Education, Corey Robin unpacks the extreme power differential between Ronell and Reitman, arguing that sex was just one facet of the way in which Ronell seems to have behaved inappropriately. “Depending on whom you believe, Ronell’s claims on Reitman may or may not have been for sex, but the sex was only one part of the harassment,” he writes. “Ronell’s largest claims were on his time, on his life, on his attention and energy, well beyond the legitimate demands of an adviser on an advisee.”
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Post by William Murderface on Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:34 am

Ima Robin odlican tekst o tome

https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Unsexy-Truth-About-the/244314


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Post by sejlor on Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:18 am

Hmmm, sad sam iščitala malo podrobnije o ovome i sve mi je vrlo sick, nisam sigurna šta da mislim. Ono u šta sam sigurna je da ovo nije sexual harassment - kakva nebuloza jbt. E sad, da li je zloupotreba moći (eventualno mobbing?) - hm.. Ti njeni mejlovi izazivaju jezu svakom iole normalnom, IMO. Ali jbg, videli smo i njegove odgovore.. Ne ide mi u glavu da neko ko se oseća zlostavljanim može - u bilo kom scenariju - da piše takve odgovore. OK, njegova karijera zavisi od nje, ali opet ne mogu da svarim baš toliki stepen pristajanja na abuse - u slučajevima kada ničija egzistencija niti fizička bezbednost ne zavisi od toga. Sad ne znam, ispravite me ako grešim.
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Post by William Murderface on Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:41 am

Pa kako ne zavisi egzistencija? Mislim da, mogao bi da izadje iz akademije i bavi se necim drugim, ali ceo zivot do tada je ulozio u to. Procitaj Robina.

(the sort of evidence we look for in these cases), over a period of many years, documenting what he claims to have occurred. And Ronell’s strongest counter-claim — that she can cite emails from Reitman showing him using the same type of erotically charged language that she uses, so this was all consensual and shared and welcome — is undermined by the fact that Reitman cites emails from her where she demands that he use that language, and reprimands him when he fails to do so.






At various points Reitman tried to get out of Ronell’s thrall. When it became clear what her mentorship would require of him, he tried in vain to contact Yale, to see if they would allow him to enroll despite his earlier rejection of their offer. Alas, the head of admissions in the German department was Ronell’s close friend, so Reitman couldn’t pursue that avenue further without risking her finding out and sabotaging his plans. When Reitman reached out to the vice provost at NYU, several times, he came up against the fact that the administrator had come from Ronell’s department. Rather than reporting the incident, as he was legally required to do, the vice provost encouraged Reitman to stay away from Ronell: She was "like a halogen light," the complaint has the vice provost telling Reitman; get too close and you might find yourself "seriously burned."


Unable to escape his adviser, whose reach — like that of many illustrious scholars — extended everywhere, Reitman did what a lot of people do in this situation: He made the best of it. He sucked up, he tried to carve out some space for himself whenever and wherever he could, he tried to preserve the relationship on terms she would find acceptable and he could live with, hoping for the day when he would no longer need her. And through it all, it seems, he continued to believe in her value as an adviser and scholar, and said so. Despite the harassment, in other words, he felt ambivalent about her, not always hostile, sometimes affectionate and well-disposed to her — again, not unlike many people who have been in these positions.

In her various responses to the case, Ronell implies that people on the outside of these relationships don’t understand the shared language, the common assumptions, the culture of queer and camp (and of being Israeli, which both she and Reitman are). As soon as she went there, my antenna went up. It reminded me of communitarians in the 1980s and 1990s, who made similar arguments about local cultures, that people outside of them don’t understand the internal meanings of the specific codes and customs, particularly when those codes and customs are oppressive toward women or gays and lesbians or people of color, that people on the outside don’t understand how differently that oppressiveness might read to someone on the inside. And it also reminded me of Judith Shklar’s admonition to the communitarians: Before you buy the story of shared codes and customs, make sure to hear from the people on the lower rungs, when they are far away from the higher rungs, to see how shared that code truly is.


I have no doubt that Ronell believed, at times, that the language she used was shared. People in positions of power, abusing that power, often believe that. (Reitman cites emails from Ronell suggesting she knew how unwelcome her attention and demands were, but rather than backing off, it only seemed to inspire her to double down on her behavior.) But there is enough evidence cited in his complaint — not post-hoc, manufactured after the fact to justify Reitman’s position now, but emails and voice messages apparently sent at the time — to suggest that it was not shared, that Reitman tried to make that clear, both to Ronell and to others in power, and that, once he discovered that he was on his own, he did what other people in his position often do.


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Re: PC tiranija

Post by sejlor on Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:49 am

Ma pročitala sam, naravno. OK, razumem da je ceo život uložio u to, ali ne razumem mentalni sklop koji pristaje i aktivno učestvuje u tome zbog jebene akademske karijere. Odvratni su mi svi ti ljudi kojima se on poveravao kako je navodno zlostavljan i koji su ga ohrabrivali da izdrži dok ne dobije posao na prestižnom univerzitetu. Bljak. Mislim, ona je ozbiljno sick i treba joj pomoć, ali nije mi nezamislivo da je na osnovu njegovih odgovora mogla da zaključi da je sve to obostrano. Evo i dalje ne znam, baš mi je sve bljak.

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