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Post by Gargantua on Wed 8 Feb - 23:10

Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn пре 59 минута

Real fight starts now. Over next two years Labour will use every opportunity to ensure Brexit protects jobs, living standards & the economy.



Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon пре 35 минута
Nicola Sturgeon ретвитује Jeremy Corbyn MP

How? You've just handed the Tories a blank cheque. You didn't win a single concession but still voted for the Bill. Pathetic.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Wed 8 Feb - 23:40

+1



Glad that's over. Time to get back to important matters. When are the next Venezuelan solidarity campaign marches?


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Post by Kinder Lad on Wed 8 Feb - 23:42

Dobro mu je rekla


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 1:12

U Škotskoj YES na 49%

Inače jebu Corbyna na twitteru ko sansku kozu.


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Post by Gargantua on Fri 10 Feb - 10:31

Theo Bertram@theobertram  пре 2 сата

He's done it. Every age group. Every region. Every social class. Men. Women. & finally: Corbyn is even net unfavourable among LABOUR VOTERS! pic.twitter.com/5ssWRK6e3j
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Post by Filipenko on Fri 10 Feb - 10:36

Sa Torijevcima nema neizvesnosti.

Nadam se da će Rusi uništiti i tu jednu brigadu vojske koja je sposobna za borbu, nakon čega će teritorija ostrva biti podeljena na rusku, indijsku, kinesku i sveafričku okupacionu zonu.
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Post by Gargantua on Fri 10 Feb - 16:08

FT wrote:Scotland faces EU membership queue in event of independence vote
Brussels’ UK rep says process could be quicker than for others but euro commitment expected

by: Mure Dickie in Edinburgh



The European Commission’s representative in the UK has said Scotland would have to “join the list” of countries seeking to join the EU even if it votes for independence ahead of Brexit. 

But Jacqueline Minor, head of the commission’s London office, said an independent Scotland might join the EU more quickly than other candidates. 

Ms Minor’s comments broadly reflect the position taken by commission officials ahead of Scotland’s 2014 independence referendum, when they dismissed claims from the governing Scottish National party that it would be possible to seamlessly retain EU membership while leaving the UK. 

Voters in Scotland opposed Brexit in last year’s referendum by a 62-38 per cent margin and Nicola Sturgeon, first minister, has repeatedly raised the possibility of another independence plebiscite to secure the nation’s place in Europe. 

Ms Minor said countries including Montenegro and Serbia were already seeking to join the EU. 
“Were Scotland to become independent, they would join that list,” she said, but added that this might be easier given that Scotland was already in line with EU law. 

“It would presumably not be too difficult for Scotland compared to, say, Montenegro,” she said. 
Ms Minor also noted that as a new member, Scotland would be expected to commit to eventually joining the euro. In 2014, the SNP said an independent Scotland would retain use of the UK pound. 

Ms Sturgeon’s government has not yet offered any detailed proposals on how to secure EU membership or on future currency arrangements in the event of a renewed bid for independence. 
Instead, the first minister has called for Scotland to be given special treatment that would allow it to stay in the EU single market even if the UK leaves. 

Ms Minor said that even if the UK government embraced Ms Sturgeon’s approach — which it shows no sign of doing — there was no precedent for such arrangements. 

There have been signs of greater sympathy in EU member states to the idea of Scottish independence since the Brexit vote, but SNP hopes for a big boost of support among voters in Scotland have so far been disappointed.

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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 17:53

Problem bi mogli da prave Španci.


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Post by Gargantua on Fri 10 Feb - 19:17

"More quickly" ne znači nužno i mimo pune procedure, pre da bi je odradili brže, što je i logično.

E sad ključ je u načinu separacije, uz ili bez saglasnosti Vestminstera. Ako bude bez onda je španski veto više nego izvestan.
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Post by Daï Djakman Faré on Fri 10 Feb - 19:27

Gargantua wrote:Theo Bertram@theobertram  пре 2 сата

He's done it. Every age group. Every region. Every social class. Men. Women. & finally: Corbyn is even net unfavourable among LABOUR VOTERS! pic.twitter.com/5ssWRK6e3j
ovi bleriti mucenici bi hteli na svakih 6 meseci da se izjasnjavaju o lideru sve dok to jednom ne bude korbin


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 19:36

Ne zapravo, povukli su se i čekaju da nepogoda prođe, ako stranka uopšte i bude postojala za godinu-dve.


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Post by William Murderface on Fri 10 Feb - 19:37

Ja uopšte nisam siguran da Korbin ovo igra pogrešno. Ajde, bumo vidli.


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Post by Daï Djakman Faré on Fri 10 Feb - 19:38

^^pa sudeci po ovom sto vi retvitujete ovde radi se overtime na rusenju korbina


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 19:44

Zaista ne znam, jedino da sačeka još koju godinu da torijevci (uz 40% trenutne podrške) dovedu državu na ivicu kolapsa pa da povede revoluciju.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 19:45

Ongnonlou Dolo wrote:^^pa sudeci po ovom sto vi retvitujete ovde radi se overtime na rusenju korbina

pa ne, jer više nema koga da ga obara, jer su ljudi odustali. zapravo jedino Clive Lewis i Owen Jones još mogu da ga ruše, verovatno i hoće.


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Post by William Murderface on Fri 10 Feb - 19:56

Pazi, mislim da je Buđa primetio na tamou nešto sa čime se ja zapravo slažem. Sad je anti-Brexit ekipa najsličnija našoj KosovoJeSrbija ekipi. Okej, Brexit je sranje, but it's done i nema nazad. Politika u UK će se ubuduće voditi oko nekih drugih pitanja. Korbinu je to jasno i ide na povratak labour birača iz torijevskog i UKIP-ovskog zagrljaja. A to uopšte nije loša taktika budući da je sve što su ovi imali da im ponude već "ispunjeno", a ispostaviće se vrlo brzo da je to jedno veliko ništa.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 20:01

Evo da se kladimo da 2020. Laburisti, ako Korbin ostane na čelu stranke, uzimaju 15-20%. U šta hoćeš.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 20:04

Mislim, Momentum ne može da dobije izbore. Ja sam mislio da je on pametniji, a zapravo je samo tvrdoglav kao magarac.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri 10 Feb - 20:05

Uzgred, ne slažem se sa tim da je Brexit non-issue. Itekako je issue a tek će biti kad počnu da se stvarno osećaju posledice. 

Biće uskoro izbora u Severnoj Irskoj pa da vidimo za početak šta će tamo da se desi.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri 10 Feb - 20:07

William Murderface wrote:Pazi, mislim da je Buđa primetio na tamou nešto sa čime se ja zapravo slažem. Sad je anti-Brexit ekipa najsličnija našoj KosovoJeSrbija ekipi. Okej, Brexit je sranje, but it's done i nema nazad. Politika u UK će se ubuduće voditi oko nekih drugih pitanja. Korbinu je to jasno i ide na povratak labour birača iz torijevskog i UKIP-ovskog zagrljaja. A to uopšte nije loša taktika budući da je sve što su ovi imali da im ponude već "ispunjeno", a ispostaviće se vrlo brzo da je to jedno veliko ništa.

Da, ali to nije gotovo, to (Brexit) ce trajati de facto do sledecih izbora. Ocerupace ih Liberalne Demokrate do tada, posebno u velikim gradovima. To je vec pocelo u stvari.


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Post by Gargantua on Fri 10 Feb - 20:39

Dobro, ja sam davno rekao da Korbin može da vodi politiku koju želi samo van EU. U tom smislu su njegov stav i ponašanje jasni, a koju će podršku za to da dobije - videćemo. Mnijem da neće dobro proći, između ostalog i zbog toga što je on rigidnjak, što rekoše "on ne samo da ništa novo nije naučio od 70ih nego ništa od tada nije ni zaboravio".
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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri 10 Feb - 20:44

I, ok, osim toga, on (bilo ko) ima objektivan problem u tome sto mu je glavnina birackog tela u stvari 1 "neprincipijelna koalicija" koja postoji kao takva iskljucivo iz razloga izbornog sistema (ali sistema koji se neće menjati tako da moraju da nađu rešenje u okviru istog)


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Post by Gargantua on Fri 10 Feb - 20:48

E kad levi Česi dižu kurac na UK  



An EU Minister Told Theresa May To Stop Lying About Freedom Of Movement
“This alternative fact – or let’s call it what it is, a lie – once again resurfaced in Theresa May’s speech. Let’s move beyond such tactics and build our new relationship on facts and respect, not populism and lies.”

posted on Feb. 9, 2017, at 4:48 p.m.
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The Czech Republic’s EU minister Tomas Prouza has accused Theresa May of lying about freedom of movement as well as failing to provide clarity on Britain’s Brexit position.

Prouza warned that May’s use of “alternative facts” around the subject of immigration could jeopardise negotiations and future UK–EU relations, and invited Britain to build a new relationship based “on facts and respect, not populism and lies”.

The Czech state secretary for European affairs made the remarks during a speech he was giving at Charles University in the Czech Republic. An English version of the speech was later posted on his website. He also lamented that London wasn’t clearly setting out the kind of relationship the UK wants to have with the EU.

“We are a bit confused – the main idea of a fairer, more open, and more global Britain seems nice on paper, but how do you want to be open when one of the key elements of the plan is to stop the inflow of bright and hardworking people from all over the world that invested so much of their energy into making Britain great?”

Prouza went on: “How do you want to ‘reach beyond Europe’ when your plan is to close yourself up and when you are best friends with a man who is basing his new administration on cutting his international ties?”
Referring to the prime minister’s recent speech where she set out her 12-point Brexit plan, the Czech minister added: “Once more, Theresa May mentioned the abuse of … freedom of movement as the reason for this plan.

A quick fact check – studies have repeatedly shown this is not the case. Yet here we are. Still wasting our time explaining these alternative facts but these claims [are] still a part of the ‘reasoning’.”

Prouza also said “there was very little information for us [in May’s speech] listening across the Channel.”

He suggested the UK had simply gone from “Brexit means Brexit” to “Brexit means hard Brexit” to “Theresa May’s speech means Theresa May’s speech”.

At the time she made it, May’s speech received mixed reactions elsewhere in Europe. Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, tweeted: “Sad process, surrealistic times but at least more realistic announcement on Brexit.”

Officials from other governments BuzzFeed News spoke to at the time said they welcomed the clarity, though most also said they weren’t surprised by the direction May was setting.

Privately, officials from a number of EU governments have expressed similar views about the British government’s tone on immigration, its approach to the EU, and the upcoming negotiations.
And a white paper released by the UK government last week appears to have added little clarity. It was described by the Czech minister as a “nicely written 70 pages with very little tangible details and aimed at the domestic audience”.

Later in his speech Prouza voiced his hopes for a cordial breakup and a close, forward-looking relationship with Britain. Before returning to how immigration is discussed and perceived in the UK, Prouza cited the breakup of Czechoslovakia as an example of a clean divorce.

“I believe we should strive for the similar effect here. Our legacy for future generations cannot be a world where the clock turned back a century and everybody is an enemy.

However, we cannot achieve this if we continue to make unfounded claims about each other. I am speaking about the continuing and growing aggression towards other nationals, especially citizens from central Europe, in the UK… time and time again, numbers have shown that EU citizens contribute more to Britain’s economy than they take out,” he added.

“Even so, this alternative fact – or let’s call it what it is, a lie – once again resurfaced in Theresa May’s speech. Let’s move beyond such tactics and build our new relationship on facts and respect, not populism and lies,” Prouza said.

On future UK–EU relations, echoing a view that is shared in a number of other European capitals, Prouza said his government would have liked to see the UK’s continued participation in the single market with all four freedoms – of movement of goods, services, people, and capital – applied but, he said, he realised this was not going to happen.

“Basically, take Theresa May’s speech, go step by step, and whatever she says, we would prefer it differently, making sure Europe and the UK remain closely connected,” the minister told the audience.

Still, Prouza welcomed the fact that there was a lot the EU and the UK could still agree on, including common defence projects, defending common values, the importance of NATO, and working together to fight terrorism, organized crime, and cyber threats. He also said he hoped the UK and the EU could continue to cooperate on research.

On the upcoming negotiations between the UK and the EU’s other 27 member states, the Czech minister warned that there were “good” and “bad” ways of doing a hard Brexit. “The rhetoric that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ is certainly the latter,” he said. He added: “The UK sometimes seems to be forgetting that it needs us too. Yes, UK is a big business partner for the EU, but so is the EU for the UK. This splendid isolation game regardless of the real consequences is dangerous.”

As other EU member states have done consistently since last June’s referendum, Prouza ruled out the possibility that Britain would be allowed to “cherry-pick” the bits of the EU it likes while ignoring the responsibilities. “There must be some give for all the UK’s take,” he said.

Setting out his government’s own stall, the minister said the Czech Republic’s focus in the negotiations would be on “people and money. On citizens’ rights and financial settlement,” an early indication that discussions about Britain’s “Brexit bill” (some analysis suggests it will amount to €60 billion) will be one of the main sticking points during the talks.

The EU’s remaining 27 member states have been clear that keeping the EU together will be their priority during the negotiations. This was a point the Czech minister reaffirmed during his speech on Thursday: “The EU cannot undermine the very principles on which the internal market was established and has to ensure a level playing field.

“The possibility of cherry-picking is the biggest danger that would devalue the existing efforts of all member states,” he warned.

Though acknowledging that negotiations would not be easy, Prouza stressed that the EU’s position was not about punishing the UK or the British electorate for their vote.

He concluded his speech by saying: “Let me remind you that during World War II, the Czech government in exile had its base in London; similarly, Czech pilots played a role in the success of the Royal Air Force. We must not forget these key historic moments, we must remember the heroism of our ancestors and continue to work together.

“All the same time, the Czech Republic is a member of the European Union and will continue to defend its principles and unity of the integration. We still believe moving forward together is the best available and most efficient option for us. As was once said, no man is an island… except for Britain, of course.”

BuzzFeed News reached out to Downing Street for a comment. At time of publication, they had yet to reply.


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Post by Daï Djakman Faré on Fri 10 Feb - 23:22

Melchett wrote:
Ongnonlou Dolo wrote:^^pa sudeci po ovom sto vi retvitujete ovde radi se overtime na rusenju korbina

pa ne, jer više nema koga da ga obara, jer su ljudi odustali. zapravo jedino Clive Lewis i Owen Jones još mogu da ga ruše, verovatno i hoće.
ako. oni i treba da ga ruse. ali kamo lepe srece da ga oni sada ruse.

no ovaj playbook sa diskreditiranjem korbina preko veza sa cavezom je dated i znamo ciji je.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sat 11 Feb - 1:05

Korbin se diskreditovao raznim potezima u poslednjih godinu dana, od kojih su Čavezi najmanje bitni. 

Ovo kako je Labour izgledao i kako se postavio oko člana 50 je sramota. I treba da ga trpaju. A trpaju ga njegove bivše pristalice, bivši glasači njegove partije, Caroline Lucas i Nicola Sturgeon.


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