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UK - Politika i društvo

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:39 pm

Ajd ovde.

Corbyn?

Impulsivna reakcija članstva i simpatizera, razbešnjenih glatkim izbornim porazom? Početak procesa povratka laburista staroj politici i starim vrednostima? Novi Jerusalim? Da li je Corbyn novi Clem ili gubitnik poput Tonyja Benna?


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Post by Bluberi on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:46 pm

Prvo se mora izboriti sa poslaničkom grupom.
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Post by ostap bender on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:46 pm

pa ne mislim da je big benn bio gubitnik. mozda je problmeticno politiku svoditi na kratke izborne cikluse a jos gore je zeleti pobedu po svaku cenu. to je bila smrt za francuske komuniste i miteranovce. za prve na kratke a za druge na malo duze staze.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:51 pm

Istina, to mu je najveći problem. Ja predviđam da neće neko vreme imati otvorenu pobunu unutar partije ali da će na prvom većem udaru bleristi pokušati puč (i ne samo bleristi). A taj puč, kako kod prošao, deli partiju na pola - ili će desno krilo otići, kao onomad Gang of Four, ili će levo krilo konačno napustiti stranku i uraditi ono čime prete već deset godina - napraviti novu radničku partiju.


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Post by ostap bender on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:54 pm

inace mediji su uzasni. new statesman, gvardijan, independent i jos poneki su potpuno podivljali.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:01 am

ostap bender wrote:pa ne mislim da je big benn bio gubitnik. mozda je problmeticno politiku svoditi na kratke izborne cikluse a jos gore je zeleti pobedu po svaku cenu. to je bila smrt za francuske komuniste i miteranovce. za prve na kratke a za druge na malo duze staze.

Jest, to i Corbyn kaže. Međutim, ne radi se o izbornim ciklusima i pobedi po svaku cenu, ja baš pričam o politici. Benn nije uspeo da nametne svoju liniju partiji a nije uspeo ni da očuva njeno jedinstvo. (Corbyn siguran sam neće napraviti tako nešto, čak i ako ga nekako smene i ako dođe do podele kod laburista, on neće biti taj koji će predvoditi one koji će napustiti stranku).

Nego, kada smo već kod Benna, kada se tek pojavio Corbyn kao kandidat, naleteh na netu na ovu sličku...

 



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Post by ostap bender on Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:14 am

nece. inace mislim da corbyn nema sanse. bas kao i u slucaju sirize imacemo priliku da vidimo mobilizaciju onoga sto se danas skriva iza pojma 'demokratija'. sto ne znaci da na duze staze nema sansi za nesto drugo.


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Post by Indy on Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:33 am

ostap bender wrote:inace mediji su uzasni. new statesman, gvardijan, independent i jos poneki su potpuno podivljali.

Monbiot ga podržava.
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Post by fernoux-h on Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:09 am

Tony Benn i Korbin nemaju ništa zajedničko. Sve je drugačije, počev od konteksta.


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Post by Indy on Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:19 am

Ovo je specijalno za ostapa, Looool



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Post by bemty on Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:41 am

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Post by William Murderface on Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:42 pm



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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:24 pm

[size=48]David Cameron says he names birds after Boris Johnson before shooting them[/size]
‘I find that when I shoot a few Borises and Michaels I feel a whole lot better’



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Post by Filipenko on Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:30 am

Pretpostavljam da tako i praseće glave naziva Samanta, po ženi, da bi se posle osećao bolje?  
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Post by ontheotherhand on Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:51 am

The New Politics of Class review – has the working class been left behind?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jan/19/the-new-politics-of-class-review-geoffrey-evans-james-tilley

Class divisions are as real as ever – it’s the politicians who have changed their priorities, as this illuminating book shows
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Post by William Murderface on Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:54 am

Hvala!


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Post by Daï Djakman Faré on Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:50 pm

okay, so..

UK government loses Brexit case, must consult Parliament

LONDON (AP) — Britain's government must get parliamentary approval before starting the process of leaving the European Union, the Supreme Court ruled Tuesday, potentially delaying Prime Minister Theresa May's plans to trigger negotiations by the end of March.

The 8-3 ruling forces the government to put a bill before Parliament, giving pro-EU politicians a chance to soften the terms of Brexit — Britain's exit from the EU. "Leave" campaigners had objected, saying Parliament shouldn't have the power to overrule the electorate, which voted to leave the bloc in a June 23 referendum.

The Supreme Court's decision doesn't mean that Britain will remain in the EU. But it could delay the process — though May's Downing Street office said its timetable remained on track.


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Post by Gargantua on Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:11 am

Ouch



Fintan O’Toole: Brexit resurrects the English cult of heroic failure

Move to leave the EU feeds into the British taste for celebrating disasters as triumphs




Tue, Jan 24, 2017, 04:00 Updated: about 23 hours ago
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Listening to Theresa May’s big Brexit speech last week, I remembered that the English have a taste for heroic failure. Their favourite poem, Rudyard Kipling’s If, says that triumph and disaster are the same thing. It also enjoins the English to “lose, and start again at your beginnings/And never breathe a word about your loss.”

Losing everything – even life itself – and not whining about it is the English ideal of heroism. And I do wonder if this inherited ideal is not playing itself out in Brexit.

While everyone else is screaming “Stop! You’re headed for disaster,” the stiff lips part just enough to say, “Ah, but we will treat it as a triumph and never breathe a word about our loss.”

Most of the modern English heroes, after all, are complete screw-ups. In her very entertaining and insightful book, Heroic Failure and the British, the historian Stephanie Barczewski says the exploits that have loomed largest in English consciousness since the 19th century are retreats or disasters: the Charge of the Light Brigade, the doomed Franklin expedition to find the Northwest Passage, “Scott of the Antarctic”, the “last stand” against the Zulus at Isandlwana, Gordon of Khartoum, the Somme, the flight from Dunkirk.

This culture of heroic failure she defines as “a conscious sense of celebration of the striving for an object that was not attained”.

When everything falls apart


It requires, one might add, an ability not to feel sorry for oneself when everything falls apart.

The essence of English heroic failure is Capt Scott reflecting on his fast-approaching death at the Antarctic: “We took risks, we knew we took them. Things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint, but bow to the will of Providence, determined still to do our best to the last.”

I bet Boris Johnson has these lines in his back pocket for use when the messianic hopes of Brexit go down in flames.

Now, it must be admitted that there is something lovable in this English capacity to embrace disaster. It is, for one thing, highly creative. It transforms ugly facts into beautiful fantasies.

The charge of the Light Brigade was hideous idiocy. At the battle of Balaclava in the Crimean war in October 1854, the British cavalry charged, sabres aloft, at the Russian artillery, down a long valley that was also flanked by more Russian guns that could fire on them from above.

It was pure suicidal butchery: survivors wrote things like “never was such murder ordered”. But the English back home loved it. The prime minister Lord Palmerston described it as “glorious” and Alfred Tennyson wrote a poem that every schoolboy, even of my generation in republican Ireland, knew: “Theirs not to make reply,/ Theirs not to reason why,/ Theirs but to do and die.” Like the English working-class being led by their contemporary Tory blimps to charge the European artillery.

So what if they get mauled? It will be glorious – and shame on anyone who asks the reason why.

The problem, however, is that the original English cult of heroic failure was, paradoxically, a symptom of British power.

As Barczewski astutely notes: “Heroic failure . . . neither effected nor engendered decline; on the contrary it arose from British power and dominance, and from the need to provide alternative narratives that distracted from its real-life exploitative and violent aspects.”

Zombie cult


The English could afford to celebrate glorious failure because they were actually very successful – the myths of suffering and endurance covered up the truth that it was mostly other people who had to endure the suffering.

But the return to heroic failure in the psychology of Brexit is a perfect example of a mythic mindset surviving long after it has ceased to be useful.

The English are no longer dominant and powerful.They are a mid-sized, fairly average western European nation. They can’t afford to indulge their inherited tastes for grandiose screw-ups. But they still have a sweet tooth for these empty calories.

Brexit is a perfect vehicle for this zombie cult. It fuses three of the archetypes of heroic English failure.

There is the last stand, exemplified by Gen George Gordon at Khartoum, another fiasco that quickly became a byword for heroism in the face of inevitable disaster: Brexit is imperial England’s last last stand.

There is the suicidal cavalry charge: May hilariously threatened Europe that if it does not play nice, she and Boris will destroy its economic artillery with their flashing sabres.

And there is the doomed expedition into terra incognita to find a promised land. This kind of heroic failure is exemplified by Sir John Franklin’s fatal search for the Northwest Passage in the 1840s.

The gods of history were surely sending a message when, just three months after the Brexit vote, they allowed Franklin’s ship, HMS Terror, to be found at the bottom of an Arctic bay.

Yet, unheeding of this omen, HMS Brexit sets sail into uncharted waters, confident of finding the, as yet undiscovered, passage to the promised land where you can always have more cake even when you’ve eaten it.

How the nation will weep with pride when some future explorers discover its ghostly remains in the icy depths of reality.
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Post by otto katz on Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:19 am

cult of heroic failure

Zvuči tako starogermanski. Kult des heldenhaften Versagens. Runama da se ukrasi i totenkopfima.


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Post by Daï Djakman Faré on Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:33 pm



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Post by Guest on Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:44 pm

Most of the modern English heroes, after all, are complete screw-ups. In her very entertaining and insightful book, Heroic Failure and the British, the historian Stephanie Barczewski says the exploits that have loomed largest in English consciousness since the 19th century are retreats or disasters: the Charge of the Light Brigade, the doomed Franklin expedition to find the Northwest Passage, “Scott of the Antarctic”, the “last stand” against the Zulus at Isandlwana, Gordon of Khartoum, the Somme, the flight from Dunkirk.


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