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Post by Gargantua on Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:26 am

UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency, is seeing a notable trend of spontaneous returns to and within Syria in 2017.

Aid agencies estimate that more than 440,000 internally displaced people have returned to their homes in Syria during the first six months of this year. In parallel, UNHCR has monitored over 31,000 Syrian refugees returning from neighbouring countries so far in 2017. Since 2015, some 260,000 refugees have spontaneously returned to Syria, primarily from Turkey into northern Syria.

The main factors influencing decisions for refugees to return self-assisted mostly to Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Damascus and to other governorates are primarily linked to seeking out family members, checking on property, and, in some cases, a real or perceived improvement in security conditions in parts of the country.

Given the returns witnessed so far this year and in light of a progressively increased number of returns of internally displaced people and, in time, refugees, UNHCR has started scaling up its operational capacity inside Syria. In order to adequately address the initial needs of IDP returnees, UNHCR - as part of the overall UN response inside Syria - will expand its humanitarian and protection response with a strong emphasis on providing protection services, improving shelter conditions and assist in the rehabilitation of some essential infrastructure and basic essential services, all in close coordination with respective sector lead agencies and partners.

Outside of Syria, UNHCR is strengthening monitoring of border movements and analysis of refugee intentions to be on top of any changes that could lead to a refugee return, while ensuring that refugees’ own voices are centre-stage in any planning around return.

While there is overall increased hope linked to the recent Astana and Geneva peace talks, UNHCR believes conditions for refugees to return in safety and dignity are not yet in place in Syria. The sustainability of security improvements in many return areas is uncertain, and there remain significant risks of protection thresholds for voluntary, safe and dignified returns not being met in parts of the country. Access to displaced population inside Syria remains a key challenge, with aid convoys still unable to access regularly even the recently newly accessible areas.

Other challenges to any sustainable and large-scale returns include limited livelihood opportunities, shortages of food and water, sporadic or non-existent health, social and other basic services. Many of Syria’s schools have been damaged or destroyed and offer no possibility for education.
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http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/briefing/2017/6/595612454/unhcr-seeing-significant-returns-internally-displaced-amid-syrias-continuing.html
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Post by Filipenko on Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:29 am

Ljudi se vraćaju krvoloku Asadu koji ubija svoj narod iz čistog ćefa? Nemoguće! 


Sada mi je još sumnjivije što iz Mosula i Rake niko ne tvituje.
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Post by Gargantua on Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:44 pm


This Is What Putin Wants From His Syria Deal With Trump
By Marc Champion
and Ilya Arkhipov
8. jul 2017. 17:48 CEST


The Takeaways From Trump's Meeting With Putin

Russia is hoping that the “breakthrough” Syrian ceasefire deal it brokered this week will align the U.S. with President Vladimir Putin’s plans for the war-torn country.

Details of the agreement reached between Putin and President Donald Trump on Friday to create a so-called de-escalation zone in southwestern Syria remain under negotiation. But skepticism abounds as to whether this plan to end a war that has claimed an estimated 470,000 lives can succeed where others failed.

Yet something has changed, as U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in his comments on the deal, which starts with a preliminary cease-fire in areas along the Jordanian border on Sunday.

Describing the deal with the U.S. as a breakthrough, Putin said in a press conference in Hamburg on Saturday the agreement should become a prototype for a series of zones across Syria that would be administered in co-ordination with the government in Damascus.

“If we succeed in doing this, we will create an undoubtedly good base and the prerequisites for a political solution in Syria in general,” he said.

Although Putin and all sides are formally committed to Syria’s territorial unity, the plan would temporarily lead to something akin to Germany after World War II, when the four allied powers divided the country into four administrative zones, according to Fyodor Lukyanov, who heads Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy.

“This is the beginning of the soft-partition of Syria,’’ he said. “De-escalation is a euphemism for zones of responsibility, where the different sides will agree which power is responsible for which part of the country.’’

The outlines of the Russian proposal approved in Friday’s meeting between Trump and Putin were borrowed from ongoing talks to create de-escalization areas in other parts of the country, between Iran, Russia and Turkey, said Lukyanov.

Taken together, the two sets of plans represent the Russian military’s strategy for exiting the conflict, said Lukyanov. They also show how the situation on the ground has transformed over the last year. Syria’s second city, Aleppo, fell back under regime control and the U.S.-led campaign to drive Islamic State from its self-declared caliphate advanced dramatically.

That has left the U.S. with a decision to make on what to do once Islamic State is defeated. It can wrestle with Iran, Russia and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for control of recaptured areas of Syria. Or it can declare mission accomplished, agree to oversee the security of zones near the borders with its core allies, Israel and Jordan, and leave most of Syria to Assad, said Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma.

Retaking Syria

Both Russian and U.S. Syria analysts believe Friday’s decision indicates the latter.
“Assad is going to retake most of Syria, and there is nothing the U.S. can do about it,’’ said Landis. "There is a new security architecture being imposed in the Middle East and Iran is the beneficiary."

The U.S. sees the de-escalation proposals in much more modest terms, according to a senior State Department official, with the goal being to freeze the fighting and allow space for a political settlement. “There’s the sense that both parties feel like the other needs to be involved,” he said of the U.S. and Russia.

Tillerson said clearly in his remarks after the Trump-Putin meeting that the Syria deal was a starting point for a wider cooperation with Russia after Islamic State’s defeat. The issue then, he said, would be to de-conflict other areas of the country.

“By and large, our objectives are exactly the same. How we get there, we each have a view,’’ Tillerson said. “Maybe they’ve got the right approach and we’ve got the wrong approach.’’ He did not elaborate.

Fall Apart

The agreement could fall apart quickly. The same array of forces who aren’t party to the deal – including Assad’s forces, Iranian-led militias and al-Qaeda-linked rebels - exist on the ground in Southern Syria as well in the North, where a cease-fire crafted by the Russians and the Americans last year collapsed within two weeks.

In addition, so far the only monitors on offer to police the de-escalation zone are Russian. How others might become involved and in what capacity is under negotiation, the State Department official said. The Russian view of how the zones will work is also minimalist and favorable to the Assad regime.

Russia would provide a maximum of 1,000 military police to monitor the cease-fire, according to Elena Suponina, a Middle East expert at the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies, which advises the Kremlin. She said the de-escalation zones had been under discussion for months, and timed for announcement by Trump and Putin at this week’s G-20.

They were not equivalent to the safe havens often discussed in the West, where one of the warring parties is forced to leave. Assad’s forces would not be excluded from the de-escalation zones being discussed and would be allowed to conduct operations against “terrorists,’’ she said. That is the description the Assad regime uses for all armed opposition.

Russian Ambitions

Moreover, said Suponina, the zones would be attempted only where the rebel opposition is “too weak to launch an offensive, but strong enough not to be wiped out.’’

Those low Russian ambitions may also fuel suspicion that they are offering only the semblance of a peace plan to placate the new U.S. president and buy time to finish up the reconquest of Syria.

“I have no doubt what the Russians want to do with all these zones is to try to solidify Assad’s position,’’ said Fred Hof, who served as special adviser for Syria’s transition during the Obama administration. “The key question here is what kind of influence is Russia willing to bring to bear on the regime and on the Iranians to keep them quiet?”

Equally important will be the willingness of the new U.S. administration to accept the emerging status quo in Syria that Russia is trying to solidify.

“For Trump,” said Lukyanov, “it is at least possible now to say that the Russians respect us there, we are protecting our friends and interests, and ISIS is being defeated.’’


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-08/putin-s-endgame-in-syria-gains-traction-after-deal-with-trump
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Post by Filipenko on Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:05 am

Kakva glupost od članka. Niti u suštini piše decidno šta se želi, niti piše šta će američka zločinačka administracija uraditi, da li će reći misija uspela i otići, ili će nastaviti da pegla po Asadovim snagama, šta će biti sa Kurdima, hoće li biti prepušteni na milost i nemilost Turskoj ili protežirani, apsolutno ništa nije jasno. Posebno je nejasno šta se sad tu hoće sa smrdljivim jordanskim teroristima što ih Jordan i Saudijska Arabija ubacuju sa juga, tu trebaju da rade nuklearke ako mene neko pita, a ne pita me.
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Post by fikret selimbašić on Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:13 pm

Džobar.

Kakav dokument.


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Post by Veletin on Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:29 pm

Камо шлемови, панцири?
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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:53 pm

fikret selimbašić wrote:Džobar.

Kakav dokument.



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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:00 pm

Veletin wrote:Камо шлемови, панцири?

Ovo su im elitne jednice, najbolje opremljene (mislim da je reporter rekao da je sa republikanskom gardom), mozes onda da zamislis kakvi su ostali. Slemove i pancire tamo sistematski nose jedino borci Hezbolaha.


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Post by Veletin on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:07 pm

Било је дана када сам у нужди претрчавао брисани простор са три панцира, један на себи, а два сам некако вуцарао на страни тела окренутој према ућкама.
Страшљива душа.
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Post by Gargantua on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:08 pm

Koji je ovo nivo ratovanja, jel ima ikoji školovan (pod)oficir u 100 ljudi tamo
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Post by fikret selimbašić on Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:30 pm

Sedma je godina rata, ovo je ko zna koja po redu inkarnacija rep. garde. Ima ih dosta koji su bili djeca kad je rat počeo.  Troši se oprema, troše se ljudi. Opremljeni su kao što su njihovi protivnici bili opremljeni 2012. Ispališe li oni ijedan metak?


Meni na drugo gledanje najjače:

Pokreti rukama onog nestretnika nakon što je pogođen u prsa.
Izraz lica onoga koji je ranjen u potiljak.
Dobro prikrevena radost na licu onih što su se nosila dokopali, iznose ranjenog, taman da pola sata provedu van prave frke.
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Post by Veletin on Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:24 am

"Iniciraćemo osnivanje kontakt grupe koja će efikasno moći da izgradi inkluzivna rešenja kada se rat završi", rekao je juče francuski predsednik i dodao, bez ulaženja u detalje, da bi tu kontakt grupu činile stalne članice Saveta bezbednosti, zemlje regiona, predstavnici vlade u Damasku i opozicije.

Frans pres navodi da je to jasan znak promene francuske politike u Siriji.

Francuski predsednik je izjavio da želi "dugoročno političko rešenje" i da predstavnici predsednika Sirije Bašara el-Asada treba da učestvuju u razgovorima. On je dodao da Asadov odlazak sa vlasti nije preduslov za francusko učešće u razgovorima.

"Imamo jedan glavni cilj: uništenje terorista, svih terorističkih grupa, koliko god to bilo osetljivo", rekao je Makron posle sastanka sa predsednikom SAD Donaldom Trampom.

http://rs.n1info.com/a283276/Svet/Svet/Makron-menja-francusku-politiku-o-Siriji.html
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Post by Filipenko on Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:38 am

Sasvim slučajno, kada govorimo o Francuskoj...




Grozna zemlja, odvratan predsednik, užasna praksa, odurna neokolonijalna nadmenost...uostalom, nije čudno što se Francuzi hvataju ruku pod ruku sa Nemcima.
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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:24 pm

fikret selimbašić wrote:Sedma je godina rata, ovo je ko zna koja po redu inkarnacija rep. garde. Ima ih dosta koji su bili djeca kad je rat počeo.  Troši se oprema, troše se ljudi. Opremljeni su kao što su njihovi protivnici bili opremljeni 2012. 

Na tu temu:


...
In order to get ready for this offensive, the Syrian Arab Army has sent reinforcements from their elite 5th Corps to aid the pro-government Desert Hawks Brigade (Liwaa Suqour Al-Sahra).

According to a military source, the 3rd Brigade of the 5th Corps was the unit sent by the Syrian Army’s High Command to assist in the offensive.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armys-elite-5th-corps-deploys-east-hama-offensive/


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Post by Filipenko on Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:00 am

Upozoravam da je sadržaj užasavajuć, osim ukoliko ste Amerikanac...


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Post by Gargantua on Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:28 pm

Dis iz hjudž (naslov je, onako, da mu se šukne )




Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria, a move sought by Moscow

In a move that reflects his interest in working with Russia, President Trump has decided to end a covert CIA program supporting Syrian rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad. (The Washington Post)

By Greg Jaffe and Adam Entous July 19 at 2:52 PM



President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.

The program was a central plank of a policy begun by the Obama administration in 2013 to put pressure on Assad to step aside, but even its backers have questioned its efficacy since Russia deployed forces in Syria two years later.

Officials said the phasing out of the secret program reflects Trump’s interest in finding ways to work with Russia, which saw the anti-Assad program as an assault on its interests. The shuttering of the program is also an acknowledgment of Washington’s limited leverage and desire to remove Assad from power.

Just three months ago, after the United States accused Assad of using chemical weapons, Trump launched retaliatory airstrikes against a Syrian air base. At the time, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, said that “in no way do we see peace in that area with Assad at the head of the Syrian government.”

Officials said Trump made the decision to scrap the CIA program nearly a month ago, after an Oval Office meeting with CIA Director Mike Pompeo and national security adviser H.R. McMaster ahead of a July 7 meeting in Germany with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Spokesmen for the National Security Council and the CIA declined to comment.

After the Trump-Putin meeting, the United States and Russia announced an agreement to back a new cease-fire in southwest Syria, along the Jordanian border, where many of the CIA-backed rebels have long operated. Trump described the limited cease-fire deal as one of the benefits of a constructive working relationship with Moscow.

The move to end the secret program to arm the anti-Assad rebels was not a condition of the cease-fire negotiations, which were already well underway, said U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the secret program.

Trump’s dealings with Russia have been under heavy scrutiny because of the investigations into the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 election. The decision on the CIA-backed rebels will be welcomed by Moscow, which focused its firepower on those fighters after it intervened in Syria in 2015.

Some current and former officials who support the program cast the move as a major concession.

“This is a momentous decision,” said a current official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a covert program. “Putin won in Syria.”


The decision will not affect a separate Pentagon-led effort to work with U.S.-backed Syrian rebels fighting the Islamic State. And the CIA-backed rebels were part of the larger moderate opposition.

Some analysts said the decision was likely to empower more radical groups inside Syria and damage the credibility of the United States.

“We are falling into a Russian trap,” said Charles Lister, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, who focuses on the Syrian resistance. “We are making the moderate resistance more and more vulnerable. . . . We are really cutting them off at the neck.”

Others said it was recognition of Assad’s entrenched position in Syria.

“It’s probably a nod to reality,” said Ilan Goldenberg, a former Obama administration official and director of the Middle East Security Program at the Center for a New American Security.

U.S. intelligence officials say battlefield gains by rebels in 2015 prompted Russia’s direct military intervention on the side of the Assad regime. Some U.S. officials and their allies in the region urged President Barack Obama to respond by providing the rebels with advanced anti­aircraft weapons so they could better defend themselves. But Obama balked, citing concerns about the United States getting pulled into a conflict with Russia.

Senior U.S. officials said that the covert program would be phased out over a period of months. It is also possible that some of the support could be redirected to other missions, such as fighting the Islamic State or making sure that the rebels can still defend themselves from attacks.


“This is a force that we can’t afford to completely abandon,” Goldenberg said. “If they are ending the aid to the rebels altogether, then that is a huge strategic mistake.”

U.S. officials said the decision had the backing of Jordan, where some of the rebels were trained, and appeared to be part of a larger Trump administration strategy to focus on negotiating limited cease-fire deals with the Russians.

Earlier this month, five days into the first cease-fire in southwest Syria, Trump indicated that another agreement was under discussion with Moscow. “We are working on the second cease-fire in a very rough part of Syria,” Trump said. “If we get that and a few more, all of a sudden we are going to have no bullets being fired in Syria.”

One big potential risk of shutting down the CIA program is that the United States may lose its ability to block other countries, such as Turkey and Persian Gulf allies, from funneling more sophisticated weapons — including man-portable air-defense systems, or MANPADS — to anti-Assad rebels, including more radical groups.

Toward the end of the Obama administration, some officials advocated ending the CIA program, arguing that the rebels would be ineffective without a major escalation in U.S. support. But the program still had the support of a majority of top Obama advisers, who argued that the United States couldn’t abandon its allies on the ground and give up on the moderate opposition because of the damage that it would do to U.S. standing in the region.

Even those who were skeptical about the program’s long-term value, viewed it as a key bargaining chip that could be used to wring concessions from Moscow in negotiations over Syria’s future.

“People began thinking about ending the program, but it was not something you’d do for free,” said a former White House official. “To give [the program] away without getting anything in return would be foolish.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_ciasyria-310pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.af0db85685f6
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Post by Filipenko on Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:30 pm

Nešto pozitivno i od te budale.
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Post by Veletin on Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:36 pm

SAD: Srbija donirala 10 tona municije za borbu protiv ISIS-a
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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:14 pm

Gargantua wrote:Dis iz hjudž (naslov je, onako, da mu se šukne )

Ne bih rekao da je hjudz, cini mi se da su od pobunjenika Ameri vec ranije digli ruke, da je ogromna vecina pomoci odavno preusmerena ka SDF-u, te da je ovo samo ozvanicavanje tog stanja.


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Post by Djamolidine Abdoujaparov on Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:59 pm

Gargantua wrote:Dis iz hjudž (naslov je, onako, da mu se šukne )




Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria, a move sought by Moscow

In a move that reflects his interest in working with Russia, President Trump has decided to end a covert CIA program supporting Syrian rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad. (The Washington Post)

By Greg Jaffe and Adam Entous July 19 at 2:52 PM



President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.

The program was a central plank of a policy begun by the Obama administration in 2013 to put pressure on Assad to step aside, but even its backers have questioned its efficacy since Russia deployed forces in Syria two years later.

Officials said the phasing out of the secret program reflects Trump’s interest in finding ways to work with Russia, which saw the anti-Assad program as an assault on its interests. The shuttering of the program is also an acknowledgment of Washington’s limited leverage and desire to remove Assad from power.

Just three months ago, after the United States accused Assad of using chemical weapons, Trump launched retaliatory airstrikes against a Syrian air base. At the time, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, said that “in no way do we see peace in that area with Assad at the head of the Syrian government.”

Officials said Trump made the decision to scrap the CIA program nearly a month ago, after an Oval Office meeting with CIA Director Mike Pompeo and national security adviser H.R. McMaster ahead of a July 7 meeting in Germany with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Spokesmen for the National Security Council and the CIA declined to comment.

After the Trump-Putin meeting, the United States and Russia announced an agreement to back a new cease-fire in southwest Syria, along the Jordanian border, where many of the CIA-backed rebels have long operated. Trump described the limited cease-fire deal as one of the benefits of a constructive working relationship with Moscow.

The move to end the secret program to arm the anti-Assad rebels was not a condition of the cease-fire negotiations, which were already well underway, said U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the secret program.

Trump’s dealings with Russia have been under heavy scrutiny because of the investigations into the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 election. The decision on the CIA-backed rebels will be welcomed by Moscow, which focused its firepower on those fighters after it intervened in Syria in 2015.

Some current and former officials who support the program cast the move as a major concession.

“This is a momentous decision,” said a current official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a covert program. “Putin won in Syria.”


The decision will not affect a separate Pentagon-led effort to work with U.S.-backed Syrian rebels fighting the Islamic State. And the CIA-backed rebels were part of the larger moderate opposition.

Some analysts said the decision was likely to empower more radical groups inside Syria and damage the credibility of the United States.

“We are falling into a Russian trap,” said Charles Lister, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, who focuses on the Syrian resistance. “We are making the moderate resistance more and more vulnerable. . . . We are really cutting them off at the neck.”

Others said it was recognition of Assad’s entrenched position in Syria.

“It’s probably a nod to reality,” said Ilan Goldenberg, a former Obama administration official and director of the Middle East Security Program at the Center for a New American Security.

U.S. intelligence officials say battlefield gains by rebels in 2015 prompted Russia’s direct military intervention on the side of the Assad regime. Some U.S. officials and their allies in the region urged President Barack Obama to respond by providing the rebels with advanced anti­aircraft weapons so they could better defend themselves. But Obama balked, citing concerns about the United States getting pulled into a conflict with Russia.

Senior U.S. officials said that the covert program would be phased out over a period of months. It is also possible that some of the support could be redirected to other missions, such as fighting the Islamic State or making sure that the rebels can still defend themselves from attacks.


“This is a force that we can’t afford to completely abandon,” Goldenberg said. “If they are ending the aid to the rebels altogether, then that is a huge strategic mistake.”

U.S. officials said the decision had the backing of Jordan, where some of the rebels were trained, and appeared to be part of a larger Trump administration strategy to focus on negotiating limited cease-fire deals with the Russians.

Earlier this month, five days into the first cease-fire in southwest Syria, Trump indicated that another agreement was under discussion with Moscow. “We are working on the second cease-fire in a very rough part of Syria,” Trump said. “If we get that and a few more, all of a sudden we are going to have no bullets being fired in Syria.”

One big potential risk of shutting down the CIA program is that the United States may lose its ability to block other countries, such as Turkey and Persian Gulf allies, from funneling more sophisticated weapons — including man-portable air-defense systems, or MANPADS — to anti-Assad rebels, including more radical groups.

Toward the end of the Obama administration, some officials advocated ending the CIA program, arguing that the rebels would be ineffective without a major escalation in U.S. support. But the program still had the support of a majority of top Obama advisers, who argued that the United States couldn’t abandon its allies on the ground and give up on the moderate opposition because of the damage that it would do to U.S. standing in the region.

Even those who were skeptical about the program’s long-term value, viewed it as a key bargaining chip that could be used to wring concessions from Moscow in negotiations over Syria’s future.

“People began thinking about ending the program, but it was not something you’d do for free,” said a former White House official. “To give [the program] away without getting anything in return would be foolish.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_ciasyria-310pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.af0db85685f6

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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Blind Lime Pie on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:16 am

Djamolidine Abdoujaparov wrote:
Gargantua wrote:Dis iz hjudž (naslov je, onako, da mu se šukne )







Avganistan će prema Siriji biti petodnevni rat. U svetu uopšte ne postoji kapacitet za zaustavljanje tog sukoba u narednih desetak godina, a i to je optimizam.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Filipenko on Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:29 pm

Komandant odbrane Deir-Ez-Zora, Isam Zahredin, je dospeo pod EU sankcije 

Čovek odleteo u grad pod opsadom Isisa, preuzeo komandu kada je prethodni komandant poginuo, tamo mu je i sin koji se bori u armiji kao niži oficir, bio je i ranjen pre nekoliko godina u napadu. Komanduje opsednutim garnizonom i gradom 3 godine i 9 meseci.

U međuvremenu, povratnicima džihadistima se ukazuje pomoć, obezbeđuje smeštaj, daju naknade za nezaposlenost, asistira u pronalasku posla.

To je ta Evropa kojoj težimo.


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Re: Sirija, početak regionalnog rata

Post by Miki on Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:54 pm

We have absolutely dismantled his network,”  Gen. Tony Thomas, speaking of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, said at the Aspen Security Forum. “I mean everyone who worked for him initially is dead or gone. Everybody who stepped to the plate the next time [is] dead or gone. Down through a network where we have killed, in a conservative estimate, 60,000 to 70,000 of his followers, his army.”

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