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Post by Djamolidine Abdoujaparov on Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:46 am

nemaš pojma Vilijame...

As the Democratic debate in Iowa wrapped Tuesday night, Sen. Elizabeth Warren confronted the extended hand of Sen. Bernie Sanders. He was plainly after one of those no hard feelings, good game handshakes. We’re cool, right?

Warren (D-Mass.) wasn’t cool. It’s hard to have the presence of mind to refuse the near-mandatory displays of collegiality, but she did, folding her hands. Noli me tangere. Touch me not. CNN had cut the sound by this time, but in the pantomime she seemed to be lecturing Sanders.

Watching the Tuesday night kabuki in slo-mo, you can see that Sanders (I-Vt.), who’s notoriously irritable and suffers from cardiac issues, was riled by whatever Warren said, and by her refusal to be touched. He shook a finger at her. Then again. He seemed intent on freeing her right hand to grab it.

We all know this stock male move: Come on, baby, give me a hug; we’re still friends.

Sure, during the debate, Sanders had gaslighted Warren over whether he told her a female candidate couldn’t win the 2020 election. But now he wanted her to forgive and forget. If he could be seen shaking her hand, he might be off the hook. But... nope. Warren didn’t play along. Sanders huffed off.

When the Sanders campaign said Warren lied, and Sanders himself insisted outrageously on his feminist bona fides (in a million years), and then tried to buttonhole Warren into a handshake only to storm off when he couldn’t seal the deal — all that only enacted the sexism he was at pains to deny.

“What I saw on Elizabeth Warren’s face,” said the political scientist Jason Johnson later, “is the face of... every single person who has heard someone say something racist, offensive or sexist — you know you heard it and then you see them deny it in public.”

Warren won. She also proved she’s a master strategist. She didn’t let Sanders get away with denying he’s sexist Tuesday night. Instead, she checkmated him into proving it.
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William Murderface

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Post by William Murderface on Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:52 am

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Ali ovi pokusaji da se navodna izjava pretvori u nesto jos gore - nasilje, gaslighting, govor mrznje - su urnebesni.

you can see that Sanders (I-Vt.), who’s notoriously irritable and suffers from cardiac issues, was riled by whatever Warren said, and by her refusal to be touched. He shook a finger at her. Then again. He seemed intent on freeing her right hand to grab it.


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Post by паће on Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:58 am

Читање говора тела је поуздано колико и детектор лажи.


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Post by dr. Labrador Špegelj on Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:59 am

U potpunosti zaslužuju Trampa, verovatno i nekog još goreg.



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Djamolidine Abdoujaparov

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Post by Djamolidine Abdoujaparov on Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:46 am

William Murderface wrote:a future to believe in - Page 12 1336943286

Ali ovi pokusaji da se navodna izjava pretvori u nesto jos gore - nasilje, gaslighting, govor mrznje - su urnebesni.

you can see that Sanders (I-Vt.), who’s notoriously irritable and suffers from cardiac issues, was riled by whatever Warren said, and by her refusal to be touched. He shook a finger at her. Then again. He seemed intent on freeing her right hand to grab it.

ne mo'š pobediti, mikroagresija je i ako kažeš da je možda u pitanju nesporazum:

Jake Tapper: Hilary, let me start with you. The explanation that we heard from the Sanders campaign last night was basically, ‘Look, they got their wires crossed.’… What Senator Sanders was trying to say was Trump will exploit misogyny and sexism and make it difficult for a woman to win.
Hilary Rosen: Yes.
Jake Tapper: He wasn’t saying he doesn’t believe a woman will win.
Hilary Rosen: What they were saying is the little lady misunderstood. [Laughter]

ono što je meni super je to što da bi predstavili Uoren kao žrtvu moraju da posegnu za nečim što je njoj lično navodno rečeno u 4 oka. čovek bi očekivao da 1 POC nejtiv Amerikanka, ćerka domara, može da se pozove i da ukaže na razne strukturne nepravde i prepreke a ne na to što joj je dugogodišnji prijatelj rekao a misogyny u 4 oka...
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Post by William Murderface on Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:52 am

Ako, ako, sve sam ubedjeniji da Berni pobedjuje, otud i ovi napadi sa svih strana.

Pazi ovaj placeni oglas maskiran u kolumnu

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/16/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-donald-trump


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Post by Mr. Moonlight on Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:54 am

dr. Labrador Špegelj wrote:U potpunosti zaslužuju Trampa, verovatno i nekog još goreg.


slično je i nama ovde, mada me nervira takva logika

moja iskustva sa usa logikom su katastrofalna

ako slučajno nešto počne da liči na socijalno pravedno ili bar malo da se zacrveni, odmah se uključuje no commies panic mode i lansiraju par nuklearki preventivno
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Post by паће on Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:05 pm

Mr. Moonlight wrote:
dr. Labrador Špegelj wrote:U potpunosti zaslužuju Trampa, verovatno i nekog još goreg.


slično je i nama ovde, mada me nervira takva logika

moja iskustva sa usa logikom su katastrofalna

ako slučajno nešto počne da liči na socijalno pravedno ili bar malo da se zacrveni, odmah se uključuje no commies panic mode i lansiraju par nuklearki preventivno

"Зашто бих ја плаћао тим џабалебарошима да...", "колико ће фирми да се позатвара због тога", ...


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Post by Gargamel on Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:40 pm

Djamolidine Abdoujaparov wrote:ma on verovatno nije rekao ni to--glupo bi bilo to reći kad je na prethodnim izborima žena dobila više glasova od muškarca, i to od ovog muškarca protiv koga se ide na izbore ove godine.
iz konteksta koji je izneo Sanders, verovatno je pokušavao da Vorenku odvrati od kandidature. kombinuj to sa Sandersovim hroničnim nedostatkom takta...

Mr. Sanders added that he had told Ms. Warren “that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could.”
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Post by zvezda je zivot on Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:31 pm

ma sigurno.

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Post by Gargamel on Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:59 pm

^
Paul Samuelson, the Nobel laureate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, recalled that John Maynard Keynes once was challenged for altering his position on some economic issue. “When my information changes,” he remembered that Keynes had said, “I change my mind. What do you do?”
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Post by Filipenko on Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:51 pm

I tako, dok Bernija napadaju demokrate...


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Post by Gargamel on Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:05 pm

William Murderface wrote:Ako, ako, sve sam ubedjeniji da Berni pobedjuje, otud i ovi napadi sa svih strana.
bs

demokratama naklonjeni mediji sve dem kandidate tretiraju bolje nego zaslužuju, par kolumni tu i tamo ne menjaju na stvari.
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Post by Mr. Moonlight on Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:27 pm

ništa ne menja stvari u usa, to je bar izvesno
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Post by Gargamel on Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:00 pm

Mr. Moonlight wrote:ništa ne menja stvari u usa, to je bar izvesno
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Post by kuku on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:04 am

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ploce sam presluso sto puta, al seriju necu gledati.

Ovo je evropski The Wire, samo iz ženskog ugla.
Djamolidine Abdoujaparov

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Post by Djamolidine Abdoujaparov on Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:24 pm

but... but... he's not even a Democrat a future to believe in - Page 12 4135669698
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Post by zvezda je zivot on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:02 pm

to je po meni da kazem dobar efekat trampizma: kazes da zena ne moze da bude predsednik i zene te i dalje vole


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Post by William Murderface on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:28 pm

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Post by William Murderface on Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:39 pm

The term “believe women” was never supposed to mean, believe everything that women say and don’t bother to investigate their claims. The simplicity of the message has irked many – including this writer – in its ability to be misused and misappropriated since its inception, but many activists have taken it up in good faith to say believing women and believing victims is only the start of a process toward justice. But in the last couple days after Warren’s campaign first made the accusation and then double-downed at Tuesday’s debate (with an unfair and obviously biased assist from debate moderator Abby Johnson), many are using it to try to shut down any debate, investigation, or dissent. When Sander’s campaign denied the accusation and supporters showed interviews going back decades of Sanders saying a woman could be president, plus evidence of Sanders’s wide support of women candidates in various campaigns, commentators remained unmoved. “Believe women.”


The language of abuse and trauma is creeping more and more into political rhetoric, as if every interaction between a man and a woman these days can be understood as a potential violation. Virginia Heffernan wrote in the Los Angeles Times, “Sanders had gaslighted Warren over whether he told her a female candidate couldn’t win the 2020 election.” Gaslighting is a term for one person lying to their romantic partner so effectively and consistently that they start to question their version of reality. Had Heffernan simply said Sanders lied, it would not have given the accusation the melodramatic pull of centuries of stories of women being tormented and abused by the men in their lives. Lying is something politicians do. Gaslighting is something misogynistic monsters do.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/17/believe-women-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders


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Post by zvezda je zivot on Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:33 pm

mene samo zanima kad ce kori robin da odgovara sto je promoviso moiru donegan. poslednjih par godina pise kako mu njeni tekstovi jedini pruzaju svetlost u mracnim vremenima. isto je tako godinama svrsavo na koutsa, bar je kouts u sustini dobra osoba



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I just might be a black Bill Gates in the making

ploce sam presluso sto puta, al seriju necu gledati.

Ovo je evropski The Wire, samo iz ženskog ugla.
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Post by William Murderface on Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Ali gaslighting jbt, pa nisu oni par, neko dva politicka konkurenta.


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Post by Janko Suvar on Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:00 am

New rules that will be implemented for the Feb. 3 contest could give presidential candidates an unprecedented opportunity to spin the results. In previous years, the Iowa Democratic Party reported just one number: the number of state delegates won by each candidate. For the first time, the party will this year report two other numbers — who had the most votes at the beginning and at the end of the night.

The additional data is a nod to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and his supporters, who argue the previous rules essentially robbed him of victory in his 2016 race against Hillary Clinton. That contest ended in a narrow delegate victory for Clinton in Iowa.

Party officials in Iowa and at the national level argue the new process will enhance transparency. But as the caucuses approach in less than three weeks, there’s a growing sense that the new information will breed confusion by giving multiple candidates the chance to claim victory.

“Adding additional numbers is going to make it more confusing for news organizations and people watching the caucuses,” said Derek Eadon, who worked as Julián Castro’s deputy campaign manager, was a top Iowa aide to Barack Obama in 2008 and is now supporting Sanders. “People are going to want to know who won, and I don’t know if there’s consensus on one number that people will use to declare that.”



Posto je saad situacija takva da su ocigledno mediji protiv Sandersa, ovo je sa AP, a ima slican tekst i u Politico.

Nisam siguran da razumem za sta ovde spremaju javnost, moze da ispadne da izgleda kao da je Sanders pobedio, al da znaju da ipak nije? 
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Post by bruno sulak on Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:04 am

zvezda je zivot wrote:
William Murderface wrote:Kakvo brukanje. Pa ni Hilari se nije ovako ponasala. CNN ne vredi komentarisati.

pa hilari je bila ozbiljan kandidat sa sirokom bazom. vorenkina baza su ona porodica iz get outa i feministkinje s tvitera tipa moira denegan

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