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Post by Filipenko on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:34 pm

In other news, Asad vratio Francuskoj orden Legije Casti
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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:37 pm

Setio se da vrati orden tri dana nakon sto je Francuska pokrenula proceduru da mu ga oduzme.


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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:41 pm

Летећи Полип wrote:Radagast govori o oceni rada (zadovoljni, nezadovoljni). Ja sam mislio na ankete za predesdničke izbore 2022.

U prvom krugu na izborima prosle godine imao je 24%.


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Post by паће on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:50 pm

Ointagru Unartan wrote:
Летећи Полип wrote:Radagast govori o oceni rada (zadovoljni, nezadovoljni). Ja sam mislio na ankete za predesdničke izbore 2022.

U prvom krugu na izborima prosle godine imao je 24%.

Таман довољно да буде онај кога ће да гурају само да не победе радикали.


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Post by bruno sulak on Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:59 pm

makron je doslovce francuski vucic. stabilokratija.


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Post by Filipenko on Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:28 am

bruno sulak wrote:makron je doslovce francuski vucic. stabilokratija.


I to 1/1. Jedino sto Makron i dalje moze da seje smrt po bivsim kolonijama pa to i cini jer zasto da ne, a ovaj nas bi rado, ali ne moze.
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Post by Летећи Полип on Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:49 pm

Meni Makron, makar karakterno, više deluje kao Tadić. Pristojnity manken, koji je sladunjavo optimističnom kampanjom uspeo da maksimalno mobiliše šire građanstvo da izađe i glasa protiv Le Penove. Sad je to njemu udarilo u glavu, pa sad, kao institucija™️preuzima odgovornost™️, zabrinut je™️, smatra da nije učinjeno dovoljno™️ itd.
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Post by bruno sulak on Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:18 pm

ne bas. tadii je imao odredjenu partijsku strukturu. ovo je trpa sve to fol-republikanski front koji je povezan zajednickim interesima i kome je zadatak nastavak, s nogom na gasu, olandovih reformi. mislim ima tu nesto i od tadija ali je zapravo krizanac brnabiceve, radulovica i vucica. da mu pcelar odmah rodi dete.


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Post by Filipenko on Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:55 pm

Ali je zato sljedbenik stoljetne veze poezije i politike a to mu valjda daje korene u francuskoj politici


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Post by Zuper on Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:17 pm

WALLACE: Let's do what we call a lightning round, quick questions, quick answers. When the president announced new tariffs on aluminum and steel for the European Union, you said, we will not negotiate with a gun pointed at her head.
MACRON: Yes.
WALLACE: There is now a May 1st deadline. Who is going to blink, President Trump or you?
MACRON: I hope -- I mean, he will not implement these new tariffs and he will decide for an exemption for the European Union. You don't make trade war with your ally.
WALLACE: But he has said that he is going to implement.
MACRON: He said exemptions through May 1st. Let's see what it will do on May 1st. I just say, where are your priorities? You cannot make a trade war with our ally.
I'm very -- I'm an easy guy. I'm very simple. I'm straightforward. It's too complicated -- if you make war against everybody. You make trade war against China, trade war against Europe, war in Syria, war against (INAUDIBLE) -- come on, it doesn't work. You need ally. We are the ally.




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Ne, to je ipak previse. Bolje je puziti i nadati se da ce SAD da popuste.
Sto je najbolje od svega Kinezi su im nudili saradnju po pitanju trgovinskih barijera SAD.
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Post by Летећи Полип on Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:23 pm

Jeste, ali ne štite ih kineski bombarderi i krstarice, već američki.
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Post by Zuper on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:00 pm

Od koga Francusku stite SAD?
Zemlju koja ima nosac aviona i nuklearno oruzje i nalazi se na Atlantiku.
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Post by Летећи Полип on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Jeste metropola zaštićena, ali neokolonijalni interesi? Francuski legionari zavode red po Afrikama, ali bi klinac to mogli bez američkih leđa.
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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:06 pm

@zuper
Fascinantan mi je tvoj mehanički pogled na politiku. Francuska eto sad odluči da se svrsta uz Kinu i Rusiju i to se jednostavno desi, pošto u međunarodnim i unutrašnjim odnosima nema nikakve inercije, a Francuska je monolitna zemlja sa suverenom Makronom na čelu.
Isto tako mi je bilo zabavno kad je narod verovao da će God-Emperor Trump za tri nedelje preokrenuti sve od Jalte do danas i pomiriti SAD i Rusiju.
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Post by Zuper on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:29 pm

Ne govorim da oni izadju iz nato ili ne znam sta vec i onda pridju Kini vec da imaju korodinaciju po pitanju protekcionistickih mera SAD u ovome trenutku preko STO...
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Post by Mr. Moonlight on Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:31 pm

ako imaš između 12 i 14 godina, sve ti opraštam


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Post by Gargantua on Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:05 am

French president to call for American ‘militarism’
By IAN KULLGREN 04/22/2018 10:03 AM



French President Emmanuel Macron said Sunday he will call for continued U.S. military intervention in Syria before a joint session of Congress this week.

“I will advocate for militarism in front of the Congress,” Macron said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

Macron is scheduled to visit Washington this week in the first official state visit of the Trump presidency. In an interview with Chris Wallace at the presidential palace in Paris, Macron said he has a “special relationship” with President Donald Trump, describing them both as political outsiders.

“Both of us are probably the maverick of the systems on both sides,” Macron said. “President Trump’s election was unexpected in your country, and probably my election was unexpected in my country.”

Macron said the United States is still an indispensable player for achieving peace in the Middle East, adding that France will rely on the U.S. in Syria once the conflict comes to an end.

“We will have to build a new Syria afterwards,” he said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/22/macron-france-syria-congress-545090
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Post by Gargantua on Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:45 am


Trump’s French connection


Does Emmanuel Macron really like the US president, or is he just playing him?
By Nicholas Vinocur
4/23/18, 4:00 AM CET


PARIS — Get ready for part two of the Macron-Trump spectacle, this time on the shores of the Potomac.


French President Emmanuel Macron is due to receive full state honors in Washington on Monday, nine months after he rolled out a literal red carpet for Donald Trump on Paris’ Avenue des Champs Elysées.

As they gather for a largely symbolic three-day visit, expect more displays of public affection between two leaders who once stunned the world with their never-ending handshake, and talk on the phone constantly, and even offer the odd declaration  of “love,” as Trump reportedly did ahead of his visit last July.

Whether such warm feelings are sincere — it’s politics, folks — what lies behind them are geopolitical forces pushing Paris and Washington together on the world stage. Macron is determined to restore France’s greatness, and Trump’s friendship  elevates Paris as a nuclear power with a seat on the United Nations Security Council at a time when Britain — usually Washington’s preferred ally — is sidelined by the Brexit process, and Germany’s Angela Merkel is as far from the U.S. president’s good graces as she was close to Barack Obama.

Trump, for his part, can use a friend on the international stage, one who is not Merkel with her country’s “very bad” trade surpluses. The Donald must also appreciate the fact that Macron never, ever says a bad word about him in public. Such forces were already in play last July, when the two leaders had their last friendly meeting in Paris. But they’ve only gotten stronger, as domestic problems and global crises ranging from Syria to North Korea and Iran push the two leaders into each others arms.

With opposition forces challenging them at home on both sides of the Atlantic, the two leaders must be looking forward to a statesmanlike breather on the Potomac. A year into his presidency, the French president’s sheen as a political prodigy and shining light of European liberalism have worn off. In France, he’s up against grinding rail strikes and volatile poll numbers, while on the European stage his efforts to jumpstart a new wave of integration have gotten bogged down in a morass of German ambivalence.

Trump has his own issues, of which a series of legal probes are only the topmost. Against that backdrop, the two men are likely to play down transatlantic tensions over issues like Trump’s steel tariffs and the Macron-led plans to slap a hefty tax on the revenue of digital giants. Instead, they’ll be looking to highlight Franco-American alignment, particularly on hot-topic security issues such as North Korea and the Iran deal, where French officials have said that Paris shares some of Trump’s reticence about the architecture of a current nuclear deal, if not the urge to scrap it altogether.

“We all recognize that Macron as probably, if not the person the president is closest to in the world of counterparts, at least certainly one of them,” a senior White House administration official told journalists ahead of the meeting.

Merkel? Not so much.

Strategic BFFs

Ahead of the trip, French officials were deadpan about what might actually be achieved: “We hope there will he substantive discussions,” said an aide to the president, adding that in this case, the symbolism of a state visit was the message.

Macron and Trump are due to share a private dinner Monday evening, followed by a bilateral meeting early Tuesday. They’ll then meet respective members of their Cabinets, before attending a state dinner Tuesday evening for which the White House has imposed an unusually restricted guest list.

On Wednesday, Macron will give a speech to Congress that’s likely to be the highlight of the trip: Will he dog-whistle to the chamber’s Democrats, or avoid taking sides? Knowing Macron, he’ll swing for the rafters with sweeping appeals for unity on his favorite topics: climate change, the need for reciprocity in international trade, and cooperation among great powers against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

In between moments of political showmanship, policy will get discussed — particularly the Iran nuclear deal. Ahead of the trip, French officials said they remained concerned that Trump and his new national security adviser, John Bolton, would tear up the current arrangement, triggering a security crisis that Israel could seek to settle via preemptive strikes on Iranian installations. Instead, the visit should be a chance for a meeting of minds, after Macron inched toward Trump by saying that the current deal was flawed on several accounts, particularly on the development of ballistic missiles.

The senior administration official said that Iran would be a “major topic” of discussion between the two leaders, with European leaders including Macron “working hard” to address U.S. concerns about Iran’s ballistic missile program, and worries about the current deal’s expiration date.

“What he [President Trump] is interested in is hearing President Macron’s perspectives on the way ahead towards achieving joint goals and joint objectives in person, face to face,” the official said.

The latest transatlantic ructions over Trump’s trade tariffs will also be in focus after Macron and Merkel — who’s due to fly into Washington on Friday, just days after Macron leaves — both vowed to tell the U.S. president that Europe would not stand for steel tariffs that could disrupt international trade flows.

While Macron may raise the issue from the podium during a joint press conference — his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin showed he’s not afraid of broaching thorny topics in public — he won’t let trade overshadow the visit. Instead, expect him to engage in some good-natured trolling on climate change, as he expected to do by delivering Trump a gift of a seedling, according to French media.

Macron’s entourage may even hear some flak about the French-led proposal to slap a 3-percent tax on U.S. digital companies’ revenue.

Yet, despite the potential for strife, it’s unlikely either leader will let problems overshadow their friendship fest, or ruin a chance to troll other world leaders ranging from Britain’s Theresa May to Putin.

Behind their closeness is, first and foremost, a strategic bond.

Trump, as Macron likes to recall, is the leader of the world’s premier superpower, a “premier partner” for France. And Macron — who has positioned himself as Europe’s de facto leader with Britain locked up in Brexit — wants France to stand at his side as the European Union’s soon-to-be sole military power with a seat on the United Nations Security Council, nuclear capability and the will to intervene where others will not.

The build-up to the April 14 strikes on Syria’s chemical facilities only underscored Franco-American mutual interest, and the lesser status of other partners.

While Britain participated, Macron and Trump used the military situation to deepen their relationship in no fewer than seven phone calls since the start of March,
according to accounts from the Elysée presidential palace. By contrast May, who has yet to receive Trump amid domestic opposition to his visiting the U.K., has testy relations with the U.S. president, who reportedly keeps cutting her off when they speak on the phone.

Merkel barely featured in the Syrian discussions. Characteristically for intervention-averse Germany, she did not order participation in the strikes, commenting on them after the fact as “necessary and appropriate.”

Once the missiles had hit their targets, Macron seized on a chance to drive home his point: While others may waver, France remains a red-blooded beacon of Western power. Paris had intervened in Syria for the “honor of the international community,” he told the European Parliament in Strasbourg, over protests from some MEPs.

Such muscle-flexing comes at a time when both Washington and Paris have issues with Merkel.


Trump never warmed to the European stateswoman, and he has repeatedly excoriated Germany’s trade surpluses as being “very bad.”

Macron, who has echoed Trump’s trade criticisms, has his own reasons to be frustrated with Merkel. His plans for reforming the European Union — from the possible creation of a eurozone budget and finance minister post to a European tax on digital companies’ revenue — are running into a wall of German reluctance.


Merkel “is not moving in the way he thinks she should be moving,” an adviser to the French president was cited by Reuters as saying, in rare public criticism.

All the more reason to pal up with Trump in D.C. The two leaders are due to share a state dinner in the White House on Tuesday evening.

Playing Trump?

One outstanding question about the Macron-Trump relationship that  fascinates commentators in Europe: Does the French president really like Trump, or is he just “playing him”?

European commentators suggested as much last summer when, during Trump’s visit to Paris, Macron mimicked his guest’s signature thumbs-up move to TV cameras.

There may be no definitive answer. Macron is a one-time stage actor who loves to quote classical French playwrights from memory and, as he told a pair of French interviewers last weekend, has “no friends.”

Quizzed about Macron’s apparent affection for Trump, the French president’s aides hint at a form of mind game: Having studied the U.S. leader’s psychology, they said he has determined that showing personal affection, keeping Trump close and avoiding any direct criticism that could inflame his temper were the best ways of keeping Washington on side.

Active closeness has been Macron’s strategy to avoid letting the “centrifugal” forces of mutual suspicion drive a wedge between France, the U.S. and other powers. In other words, Macron may not be out to “play” Trump, but he is always playing some sort of role.

Still, opportunism only goes so far in explaining the relationship. Just as British and German voters dislike Trump, the French overwhelmingly disapprove of the U.S. president (as many as nine out of 10, according to one poll).

But, unlike Merkel or May, the French leader is ready to ignore such feelings completely. When Trump was last in Paris, Macron took rare pains to show a form of quasi-filial affection for the U.S. president. He called him a “friend” in public. Such displays may not be strictly necessary, if his goal is simply to maintain France’s position in the transatlantic relationship.

It does not hurt that, on the whole, the French are less prickly about executive use of force abroad than the British or the Germans.

The question that remains is whether Macron will provide a rerun of his chummy performance next week. As political animals, the two leaders have another trait in common.

They hate to be predictable.

https://www.politico.eu/article/doanld-trump-french-connection-emmanuel-macron-love-in-washington-visit/
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Post by Guest on Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:51 am

Zuper wrote:Ne govorim da oni izadju iz nato ili ne znam sta vec i onda pridju Kini vec da imaju korodinaciju po pitanju protekcionistickih mera SAD u ovome trenutku preko STO...
Ne može koordinacija jer bi onda sigurno došli pod udar mera, a ovako verovatno neće. Ne može ništa osim da budeš fin prema Trampu do 1. maja. Tako je Vašington odigrao u ovoj rundi. Za dalje ćemo videti.
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Post by Filipenko on Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:02 pm

Gargantua wrote:
French president to call for American ‘militarism’
By IAN KULLGREN 04/22/2018 10:03 AM



French President Emmanuel Macron said Sunday he will call for continued U.S. military intervention in Syria before a joint session of Congress this week.

“I will advocate for militarism in front of the Congress,” Macron said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

Macron is scheduled to visit Washington this week in the first official state visit of the Trump presidency. In an interview with Chris Wallace at the presidential palace in Paris, Macron said he has a “special relationship” with President Donald Trump, describing them both as political outsiders.

“Both of us are probably the maverick of the systems on both sides,” Macron said. “President Trump’s election was unexpected in your country, and probably my election was unexpected in my country.”

Macron said the United States is still an indispensable player for achieving peace in the Middle East, adding that France will rely on the U.S. in Syria once the conflict comes to an end.

“We will have to build a new Syria afterwards,” he said.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/22/macron-france-syria-congress-545090


Pokusaji ovog nesrecnika da na medjunarodnom planu bude veci Britanac od Britanaca ce se zavrsiti kao pokusaji nasih nesrecnika da budu bolji i plemenitiji desnicari od SRSa i SNSa.
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Post by паће on Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:06 pm

Filipenko wrote:
Pokusaji ovog nesrecnika da na medjunarodnom planu bude veci Britanac od Britanaca ce se zavrsiti kao pokusaji nasih nesrecnika da budu bolji i plemenitiji desnicari od SRSa i SNSa.

Па није уопште био проблем да буду бољи или племенитији, то није нарочито тешко, него што н'уму да буду дешњи.


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Post by bruno sulak on Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:01 pm

Railworkers engaged in the rolling strike action in the area to the north of Paris asked Jacques Rancière to answer a few questions connected with the current struggle against the rail reform and the meaning of solidarity. Here the philosopher, egalitarian thinker, and "ignorant schoolmaster" offers his replies:
Anasse, a pointswoman in Le Bourget: How can an intellectual today show solidarity with workers’ strike action?
I do not like the idea of "the intellectual," which supposes a sort of monopoly of insight, or indeed the posture of the intellectual who advertises his support for workers’ struggles. I think that it is for those waging a struggle to say what precise acts of solidarity they are expecting from everyone else, whether that means material aid or statements in their support. But the important thing is that the distance between the different situations and the different struggles is today tending to narrow. In the universities as in SNCF [the national rail network] and other fields of activity, we find the same thing under attack: namely, the existence of a world governed by solidarity, a world in which everyone has access to the same benefits in education, healthcare, transport or other services, independently of their social rank.
Karim, Landy maintenance centre: It is said that our status is a privilege dating back to a time that has now passed. In your view, what, today is a right and what is a privilege?
A privilege is an advantage that some particular social category enjoys in function of its difference, of its superiority over the rest, like the nobility of yesteryear had. A right, conversely, is something that you enjoy precisely insofar as you are the same as everyone else. A right is also something that has been won through a fight to impose equality. The railworkers’ status is something that was created when the popular movement imposed the existence of a public service that provides everyone the possibility of accessing the same services. The idea under attack from the powerful today is the idea that everyone can be educated, cared for, provided with transport, etc. under equal conditions. And in order to legitimise itself, this onslaught has to say that the social rights won in yesterday’s struggles are mere "privileges." It is true that other categories of workers have lost rights that the railworkers do still have. But those making a noise about the "privileged" really want to level things down: for everyone to lose these rights.
Laura, a pointswoman in Le Bourget: The strike could get tougher over time. They are talking about us as if we were taking people hostage. What do you think about this?
The rhetoric about "taking people hostage" is part of this same effort to discredit social struggles in the name of the idea that ordinary people are the real victims. But this is not simply an abuse of language. This use of words has to be seen in light of a very material reality. For several years we have seen a mounting attempt to criminalise all the forms of action through which workers in struggle go beyond the framework of politely venturing their demands, especially by kidnapping bosses and managers. Little by little, what they are trying to criminalise is social struggle itself. It is necessary to be attentive to the difficulties that the strike does cause a lot of people, but simultaneously refuse the blackmail that comes with the accusation of "taking people hostage."


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Post by Gargantua on Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:24 pm





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Macron told Trump that together the US and France would defeat terrorism, curtail weapons of mass destruction in North Korea and Iran and act together on behalf of the planet, a reference to Macron's work to revive a US role in the Paris climate accord.
"History is calling us. It is urging our people to find the fortitude that has guided us in the most difficult of times," Macron said. "France and with it, Europe, and the United States have an appointment with history."
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http://www.france24.com/en/20180424-macron-trump-renew-france-usa-ties-syria-nuclear-iran-north-korea
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Post by Gargantua on Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:05 pm

ajd ovde kad sam počeo


https://twitter.com/NegarMortazavi/status/988809709154177024
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Trump says #IranDeal is a terrible deal that is ‘insane’ and ‘ridiculous’ because doesn’t address ballistic missiles or Iran's activities in places like Yemen or Syria. He says everywhere you look in the region, you find Iran causing problems.

Trump was asked whether he will stay in the #IranDeal: We’ll see. People know my views on the Iran deal. It was a terrible deal. It’s insane. It’s ridiculous. It should never have been made. But we will be talking about it (with French President Macron).

Trump & Macron on Iran Trump warned Iran: If they restart their nuclear program, they will have bigger problems than they ever had before. French President Macron says the #IranDeal needs to be discussed in the broader context of the region.

French President Macron: The #IranDeal is an important issue but we have to take a far broader picture which is security in the overall region. What we want to do is to contain Iran and its presence in the region.

Trump: No matter where you go especially in the Middle East, wherever there’s trouble, Yemen, Syria, Iran is behind it. We’re not going to allow certain things that are happening to happen. The Iran deal is a disaster. They’re testing missiles. What’s that all about?

Trump: What kind of deal is it when you don’t talk about Yemen and other problems with Iran? Secretary Kerry didn’t want to discuss issues beyond the nuclear program as part of the deal, because it was too complicated. That’s not the way to do it. So we made this terrible deal.

Trump on Iran restarting its nuclear program if he rips the deal: It won’t be so easy for them to restart it. They’re not going to be restarting anything. If they restart their nuclear program, they will have bigger problems than they ever had before. You can mark it down.

Trump says he had a good talk with President Macron about #Iran: We're looking forward to doing something but it has to be done, and done strongly. We're fairly close to understanding each other. Our one on one went very well.


Dakle sporazum o rešavanju problema mogućeg iranskog nuklearnog naoružavanja nije dovoljno dobar jer se ne bavi i nekim drugim stvarima, o kojima se nije ni pričalo ali evo sad se ubacuju u priču kao "kontekst".

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Post by beatakeshi on Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:47 pm

Tramp dobio svog Blera, francuska pudlica koja bi da bude tigar.

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