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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Anduril on Thu May 31, 2018 3:12 pm

паће wrote:
Anduril wrote:

Nema to veze sa vaspitnim merama nego sa pravom ostalih clanica da ne finansiraju koruptnu autokratiju. 
Te nove clanice su za razliku od neclanica (recimo nas) super prosle, tako da je taj argument relativno slab. 
Problem o kojem ti govoris je rastuca nejednakost a to se vec odnosi na sve clanice.
Zato populizam i nije uvek negativna pojava - stavlja elite pred izbor ali i populiste.
Dakle, kompromis ka smanjenju nejednakosti ili sve jaci politicki sudari elite i populista/glasaca pa tako do nekog veceg sranja u kojem svi gube.
Sve vec vidjeno...

Шта слаб аргумент? Јел' то оно "а Хасо нема ни бицикл"? Заболе Мађарску или Грчку што им је не знам колико добро у односу на нас, кад виде како им је лоше у односу на стааару Европу.

А избор је између сипања пара својим деспотима у џепове, или немачким банкама и бриселској бирократији? Ја бих радије избор између да буду баш једнаки или да се разилазе. А онда да их видим како, стављени пред такав избор, финансирају социјални мир штампањем пара.

Madjarska je neto primalac i ne finansira nikoga, a ponajmanje Brisel. Ove sto daju jos manje zabole da li se Madjarska ugleda na Moldaviju ili Austriju. Bez Brisela bi bili Moldavija sa svojim ili nemackim bankama, svejedno. Btw. nemacke banke su relativno slabe tako da ne znam cemu njih spominjes.

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Thu May 31, 2018 3:33 pm

Sala, posalica:

Giovanni Tria new economy minister, Paolo Savona minister for European affairs
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Thu May 31, 2018 3:57 pm

U Španiji je danas skupštinska debata o poverenju Rahojevoj vladi, koju su pokrenuli socijalisti.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by паће on Thu May 31, 2018 4:05 pm

Anduril wrote:
паће wrote:

Шта слаб аргумент? Јел' то оно "а Хасо нема ни бицикл"? Заболе Мађарску или Грчку што им је не знам колико добро у односу на нас, кад виде како им је лоше у односу на стааару Европу.

А избор је између сипања пара својим деспотима у џепове, или немачким банкама и бриселској бирократији? Ја бих радије избор између да буду баш једнаки или да се разилазе. А онда да их видим како, стављени пред такав избор, финансирају социјални мир штампањем пара.

Madjarska je neto primalac i ne finansira nikoga, a ponajmanje Brisel. Ove sto daju jos manje zabole da li se Madjarska ugleda na Moldaviju ili Austriju. Bez Brisela bi bili Moldavija sa svojim ili nemackim bankama, svejedno. Btw. nemacke banke su relativno slabe tako da ne znam cemu njih spominjes.

Канда не причамо о истим парама. Ти о држави, ја о целокупној привреди. Писали су већ други Бурунђани, срчка не ради, ако си био ту и прочитао, прочитао си. Ако ниси, ниси.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Thu May 31, 2018 4:51 pm

Gargantua wrote:U Španiji je danas skupštinska debata o poverenju Rahojevoj vladi, koju su pokrenuli socijalisti.

Poljaci, Rumunji, Hrvacani i ostali sa Baltika cekaju kao zapeta puska...
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Anduril on Thu May 31, 2018 7:38 pm

Blizi se grcki scenario:
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/italy-sovereign-debt-restructuring-by-carmen-reinhart-2018-05


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Thu May 31, 2018 7:47 pm

ITALY PRESIDENT GIVES LAW PROFESSOR GIUSEPPE CONTE MANDATE TO FORM A COALITION GOVT BACKED BY 5-STAR, LEAGUE - OFFICIAL
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Mogli bi Grci i Italijani sada da naprave neku grupu na jugu tipa "Jonska grupa" ili tako nesto.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:43 am



Tu je i Branko Milanović

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Post by Zuper on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:21 pm

Zelim vam svima srecnu novu italijansku vladu Lige i 5* uz prigodnu pesmu,

ITALY'S GIUSEPPE CONTE SWORN IN AS ITALY PRIME MINISTER





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Post by Zuper on Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:44 pm

RUSSIA'S PUTIN CONGRATULATES CONTE ON BEING SWORN AS ITALY'S PM

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by ficfiric on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:02 pm

Masovno se slavi sirom sveta




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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:06 pm

Verovatno je stupio u kontakt kada je boravio u Italiji tamo 2007-2012 posto srpsko zuto pravusodje(raformisano uz pomoc EU) nije izdavalo medjunarodnu poternicu dok se on brckao po Veneciji.
Eto sta nam rade dusmani sa istoka.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by William Murderface on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:09 pm

Zuperiska uvek u probranom drustvu.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by KinderLad on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:17 pm

Ma bre ljudi...

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Post by Zuper on Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:29 pm

FRENCH FINANCE MIN SAYS G7 MEETING 'WILL BE G6 + 1'

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:01 pm

Zuper wrote:FRENCH FINANCE MIN SAYS G7 MEETING 'WILL BE G6 + 1'


Cekaj bre, odakle njemu ovlascenja da izbacuje Italiju iz G7...???
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:22 pm



Teze jednog finansijskog konsultanta. Uokvirio sam najzanimljiviji deo, vest o amandmanu Lige i 5* u Evroparlamentu.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by KinderLad on Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:40 pm

Magna Graecia
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:33 pm

Pre ce biti SPQR. 
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by rumbeando on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:40 pm

Taj spomenuti amandman je izgleda imao svega 90 glasova za od ukupno 750 poslanika EP.
https://www.iforex.in/analysis/eurusd-slumped-renewed-concern-anti-euro-agenda-italys-new-government-and-mixed-ez-economic-data-52999

Plus što nije tako lako izaći čak i kad postoji većinska volja za to:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/italian-referendum-leaving-the-eu-article-75-italexit-2018-5
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by KinderLad on Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:43 pm

Od UscITA-a neće biti ništa. Međutim, ono od čega će biti nešto je što će mnogi migrant teško najebati.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:05 pm

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Post by Gargantua on Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:14 pm

rumbeando wrote:...
Plus što nije tako lako izaći čak i kad postoji većinska volja za to:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/italian-referendum-leaving-the-eu-article-75-italexit-2018-5

Takođe je već široko prihvaćeno pravno tumačenje da ni gledano sa strane EU ugovora nije moguće izaći iz evrozone (bez istovremenog izlaska iz EU), to je bilo jasno još 2015. kod Grčke.

Npr:

A withdrawal from the obligations of the Monetary Union allowing the reintroduction of a currency of its own by a Member State whose currency is the euro has to be judged as illegal with severe economic and legal consequences.
An exit from the euro area is legally not possible and economically questionable.

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Summing up, it is legally not possible for a Member State whose currency is the euro to:
- exit or withdraw from the euro area,
- introduce of a new currency parallel to the euro,  
- obtain permission by the organs of the EU or the Member States to withdraw from the euro area or to implement a parallel currency.

https://www.imfs-frankfurt.de/fileadmin/user_upload/IMFS_WP/IMFS_WP_99.pdf
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by KinderLad on Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:31 am

Rahoj podneo ostavku
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Grave as these setbacks may be, the scale of Germany’s difficulties can be comprehended only once their causal link with developments in Italy is grasped.


Just as it is Trump’s aim to overturn the global system from which Germany has benefited for decades, Salvini and di Maio see the disintegration of the euro as a welcome development and a boon to their anti-immigration campaign. Just over three years ago, when I was negotiating on behalf of Greece with the German government to end the combination of unsustainable loans and hyper-austerity that are still crushing my country, I warned my interlocutors at a Eurogroup meeting of eurozone finance ministers:


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