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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by KinderLad on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:12 pm

Dokazano. Pa nije Sećeroski sjebo zemlju
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Post by Gargantua on Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:15 pm

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Gargantua on Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:23 am

On Saturday, Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, claimed the UN-linked Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) had sent the Skripals’ biomedical samples to Swiss experts who found they contained traces of the nerve agent BZ, used by the west.

“According to the results of the examination, the samples had traces of toxic chemical BZ and its precursors,” Lavrov said, citing what he said was “confidential information”.

“Russia and the USSR never developed such chemical substances,” he said. “In this regard we are asking the OPCW why the information which reflected the conclusions of specialists from the Spiez laboratory was completely omitted from the final document.”

“And of course if the OPCW decides to deny that it used the Spiez laboratory then it would be interesting to hear those explanations, too.”

Lavrov appeared to be referring to the Swiss institute for the protection of the population against nuclear, biological and chemical threats and dangers, located in the Swiss town of Spiez.

Lavrov also said the Swiss experts had found that the Skripals’ samples contained traces of A-234 – one of the nerve agents of the novichok group – “in its original form” and in considerable quantities.

Lavrov cast doubt on that conclusion, saying a big dose of that substance would have killed the Skripals.

He said that claim was “extremely suspicious” because the highly volatile A-234 nerve agent could not have been found at the scene in large quantities given that more than two weeks had passed between the attack and the collection of the samples.

“The clinical picture,” he added, showed that the nerve agent BZ had been used on the Skripals.
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Filipenko on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:13 am

Naravno. Mislim, čak je i zdravorazumski pretpostaviti da je, ako je uopšte otrovan jer to nije ni dokazano ni pokazano niti smo videli Sergeja ili trenutno kidnapovanu ćerku Juliju, otrov došao iz britanskih laboratorija koje se bave time i koje su, gle čuda, baš u istom gradu. No, to je sve manje bitno, zna se šta je prioritet...



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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Zuper on Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:38 pm

Russian rocket tests force partial closing of Baltic Sea, airspace

RIGA (Reuters) - Russia began testing missiles with live munitions in the Baltic Sea on Wednesday, alarming Latvia, a member of NATO, which says the drills have forced it partly to shut down Baltic commercial airspace.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-latvia-missiles/russian-rocket-tests-force-partial-closing-of-baltic-sea-airspace-idUSKCN1HB1O3
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by KinderLad on Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:45 pm

Gargantua wrote:
On Saturday, Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, claimed the UN-linked Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) had sent the Skripals’ biomedical samples to Swiss experts who found they contained traces of the nerve agent BZ, used by the west.

“According to the results of the examination, the samples had traces of toxic chemical BZ and its precursors,” Lavrov said, citing what he said was “confidential information”.

“Russia and the USSR never developed such chemical substances,” he said. “In this regard we are asking the OPCW why the information which reflected the conclusions of specialists from the Spiez laboratory was completely omitted from the final document.”

“And of course if the OPCW decides to deny that it used the Spiez laboratory then it would be interesting to hear those explanations, too.”

Lavrov appeared to be referring to the Swiss institute for the protection of the population against nuclear, biological and chemical threats and dangers, located in the Swiss town of Spiez.

Lavrov also said the Swiss experts had found that the Skripals’ samples contained traces of A-234 – one of the nerve agents of the novichok group – “in its original form” and in considerable quantities.

Lavrov cast doubt on that conclusion, saying a big dose of that substance would have killed the Skripals.

He said that claim was “extremely suspicious” because the highly volatile A-234 nerve agent could not have been found at the scene in large quantities given that more than two weeks had passed between the attack and the collection of the samples.

“The clinical picture,” he added, showed that the nerve agent BZ had been used on the Skripals.

Sama ruska drzava poela da siri fake news? "Ja vam kazem da je to bio BZ, a oni kao negiraju bas da cujme na osnovu cega negiraju"
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Filipenko on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:51 pm

Vasilij wrote:Ovde nije rec o tome (izdrzali bi, naravno, kao da se pa pitaju nesto oko toga uostalom) vec o politici nepotrebne samoizolacije. Zasto da izadju iz zajednickih industrijskih poduhvata, sta ce dobiti time?


Tek sada registrujem ovo naizgled retoricko pitanje. Pa, dobijaju to da zbijaju redove i eliminisu rizike i gubitke. Koja je poenta ulagati u biznis u kom god procentu da je njihov udeo u joint venture poduhvatima, ukoliko ce u slucaju bilo kakvog uspeha samo potpasti pod novi krug sankcija, rukovodiocima biti vezane ruke, partnerima biti zabranjeno da nastave poslovanje, a kapital biti opljackan ili kako SShA kazu, konfiskovan. Jednostavno, postoje trenuci kada napustas polozaje da skratis front i docekas naciste spremniji.
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Djamolidine Abdoujaparov on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:43 am

What current sanctions, and those that may yet come (as for example on Gazprom), show is that Russia is now at the same crossroads at which it was in the early 1920s. Its access to Western markets, technology and capital is all but cut off.  It is true that there are nowadays other sources for all three, including in China. But the breadth of sanctions is such that Chinese actors, if they themselves plan to do business or raise money in the United States, will too avoid doing business with Russian entities. So Russian industry will be left to grow, if it can, using only domestic resources, which compared to global resources, are small and inadequate (given how Russia’s relative economic and population role in the world has declined). Autarky is thus preordained.

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Gargantua on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:08 am

Mislim da je potrebna dopuna u smislu da nisu ruske firme, ukupno uzev, odsečene od zapadnih tržišta.

Sadašnje sankcije su sektorske (gađaju banke, energetiku i proizvođače oružja, u smislu da firme sa 50% i više državnog učešća me mogu da uzimaju kredite ročnosti duže od 30 dana).

Ako nigde ne grešim, npr proizvođač kombajna iz Rusije nije ničim formalno pogođen, može da trguje, uzima kredite itd itd. Jedini izvoz iz Rusije koji je zabranjen je onaj koji potiče sa Krima, dakle uska geografska odrednica.

Američke sankcije su slične ali i šire, ali i s manje direktnog uticaja od EU zbog malog obima trgovine.

Zato su efekti sankcija mnogo komplikovaniji za procenu.

Ali je negde bazična logika, mislim, tačna, da se Rudija odaljava, filozofski, konceptualno, ekonomski, što verovatno u datim okolnostima najviše liči na zamah autarhije.
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Filipenko on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:57 am

Pa nemaju drugo, nista im ne preostaje. Ono sto jos trebaju da shvate jeste da su ova evropska govna podjednako kriva kao i SShA, ako ne i krivlja, jer podbadaju i podsticu i potprckuju, ugrozeni time sto je ruski GDP presisao 2 biliona na godisnjem nivou. Trebaju da krenu u aktivne mere, tipa atentata na londonsku, parisku, berlinsku gamad i slicno.

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Zuper on Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:03 pm

Neuporediva situacija sa periodom 20-tih godina XX veka, jos uvek.
Da bi se moglo poceti porediti moraju da izgube veliki deo izvoza a to ce pogoditi i zapad.
U Rusiji radi gomila stranih kompanija dok ovo pisem, od fabrika automobila pa nadalje.
Odakle mu uopste ideja da tako nesto poredi?!
Uostalom, autoraki(samozadvoljenje) je vise politika koja se sprovodi iznutra.

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Zuper on Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:52 pm

TRUMP IS SAID TO HALT PLAN FOR MORE RUSSIA SANCTIONS:WASH. POST

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Gargantua on Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:58 pm

The cyberwar between the west and Russia has escalated after the UK and the US issued a joint alert accusing Moscow of mounting a “malicious” internet offensive that appeared to be aimed at espionage, stealing intellectual property and laying the foundation for an attack on infrastructure.

Senior security officials in the US and UK held a rare joint conference call to directly blame the Kremlin for targeting government institutions, private sector organisations and infrastructure, and internet providers supporting these sectors.
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The US and UK, in a joint statement, said the cyber-attack was aimed not just at the UK and US but globally. “Specifically, these cyber-exploits were directed at network infrastructure devices worldwide such as routers, switches, firewalls, network intrusion detection system,” it said.

Russian state-sponsored actors are using compromised routers to conduct spoofing ‘man-in-the-middle’ attacks to support espionage, extract intellectual property, maintain persistent access to victim networks and potentially lay a foundation for future offensive operations.

“The current state of US and UK network devices, coupled with a Russian government campaign to exploit these devices, threatens our respective safety, security, and economic wellbeing.”

The US dubbed the cyber activity alleged to be from Russia as GRiZZLY STEP.

Filipe, daj sliku onog medveda
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Sotir on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:24 pm

Nego, na onoj slici sa međedom u sredini mi se čini da su okolo gaučosi, a ne kauboji.
Tako da Filipe opet širiš dezinformacije...
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Post by паће on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:28 pm

Sotir wrote:Nego, na onoj slici sa međedom u sredini mi se čini da su okolo gaučosi, a ne kauboji.
Tako da Filipe opet širiš dezinformacije...

...класичном холивудском методом од пре интернета. Кад су још рачунали да је ствар само за та и та тржишта и да она петорица што ће да примете неће добацити далеко, ако им уопште буде стало до такве зајебанције.

Данас морају да пазе, јер у пет линкова испадају будале. Маци желимо срећан долазак до вратанаца.


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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Filipenko on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:43 pm

Gargantua wrote:
The cyberwar between the west and Russia has escalated after the UK and the US issued a joint alert accusing Moscow of mounting a “malicious” internet offensive that appeared to be aimed at espionage, stealing intellectual property and laying the foundation for an attack on infrastructure.

Senior security officials in the US and UK held a rare joint conference call to directly blame the Kremlin for targeting government institutions, private sector organisations and infrastructure, and internet providers supporting these sectors.
...
The US and UK, in a joint statement, said the cyber-attack was aimed not just at the UK and US but globally. “Specifically, these cyber-exploits were directed at network infrastructure devices worldwide such as routers, switches, firewalls, network intrusion detection system,” it said.

Russian state-sponsored actors are using compromised routers to conduct spoofing ‘man-in-the-middle’ attacks to support espionage, extract intellectual property, maintain persistent access to victim networks and potentially lay a foundation for future offensive operations.

“The current state of US and UK network devices, coupled with a Russian government campaign to exploit these devices, threatens our respective safety, security, and economic wellbeing.”

The US dubbed the cyber activity alleged to be from Russia as GRiZZLY STEP.

Filipe, daj sliku onog medveda




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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Zuper on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:55 pm

Sta rade ti Indijanci sa medjedom?

Ovako nesto da stavs pa da ima smisla,

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Gargantua on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 pm

Russia haunts the western imagination
Ivan Krastev 16 April 2018


If a Martian were sent to earth with a secret mission to figure out the trends of world politics, he would certainly be puzzled by the outsized role that Putin’s Russia plays in the 21st century imagination of the west. Almost half of Americans tend to believe that Moscow rigged the 2016 US presidential election; many Europeans suspect that the Kremlin shapes public opinion in their countries; and some of the leading western media outlets insist that Russia’s President Vladimir Putin is the world’s most influential political leader. While in the beginning of this century Russia was viewed as a mixture of failure and banality, today in the minds of many it has mutated into the model of the world to come.

Frankly speaking, neither Russia’s brutal annexation of Crimea, nor its military involvement in Syria nor aggressive meddling in American elections could sufficiently explain western obsessions with Russia. It is true that Putin’s Russia is a military power and that the Kremlin has demonstrated its willingness to use force as an instrument to achieve its goals. But let us not forget that Russia is a resurgent rather than a rising power. Its power and influence are just a bleak copy of those of the Soviet Union. Russia suffers from low European-level birth rates and almost African-level life expectancy. Its population has one of the highest percentages of university-educated people, but with the lowest labour productivity per hour worked in the industrialised world.

The country is profoundly corrupt and though President Putin is a strong leader, the prospects of Russia’s development after him (regardless of when that “after” will be) are highly uncertain. In the words of Vyacheslav Volodin, the current chairman of the Duma, “there is no Russia without Putin”. So why then is the western political imagination as much or even more obsessed and preoccupied by Russia as by the economic success and geopolitical ambitions of communist China, the global spread of radical Islamist ideology or the craziness of the current North Korean dictator?

An answer can be found in classical Russian literature. In this particular case, in Dostoevsky’s novel The Double, the story of a low-level clerk who ends up in the madhouse after meeting his double, a man who looks like him, talks like him, but who displays all the charm and self-confidence that the tortured protagonist profoundly lacks and who step by step is becoming “him”.




When it comes to Russia, the west feels like Dostoevsky’s protagonist in the presence of his double. However, the difference between the novel and our reality is significant. While in Dostoevsky's novel the double looks like a person that the protagonist always wanted to be, for the west Russia has become the double the west fears it could become. While some years ago Russia was perceived by the western public as a shadow coming from the past, now it looks like an ambassador coming from the future. What happens in Russia today can take place in western countries tomorrow.

Russia is a classic example of a non-democracy functioning inside the institutional framework of democracy, a political regime in which elections are regularly held but in which the ruling party never loses power. It is a regime in which periodic pseudo-competitive elections are instruments for disempowering, not empowering, citizens. So the story of Russia’s stage-managed elections provides a historically vivid illustration of the way in which institutions and practices that originally emancipated citizens from the whim of unaccountable rulers can be refashioned into trompe l’oeil machinery that effectively disenfranchised citizens.

What Putin’s Russia teaches us is that the mere fact that elections take place and formally elected governments are in power does not mean that the electorate’s voice is heard. Could it be that competitive elections in the west – shaped by the manipulative power of money, disfigured by growing political polarisation and emptied of meaning by a lack of genuine political alternatives – resemble Kremlin-engineered elections more than we like to think? Could it be that the global spread of democracy signals not the liberation of the masses but the liberation of elites from the electorate?

Russia’s current experience prefigures a growing global disappointment with the classical ideal of an open society, with liberalism’s faith that the opening of borders and the existence of freely flowing information necessarily empower citizens and improve their lives. Similar to the threatening flow of migrants coming to the west, Kremlin’s alleged attempts to interfere in the electoral process of western democracies has also become a frightening illustration of the dark side of a world without borders.

Moreover, Russia provides the most radical example of the feudalisation and the incoherence of the state in the age of globalisation along with the emergence of a post-labour society. Inside Russia’s deep state, different departments or agencies – the ministries, the police, the prosecutors, and so forth – may seem irresistibly dominant to ordinary citizens, but they spend much of their time fighting each other, often over the control of liquid assets, and face no real incentive to cooperate for a shared purpose.




This kind of loose-knit and conflict-ridden state can neither impose itself consistently on society nor respond intelligently to social pressures and demands. What disturbs western observers is that while reasons for the growing incoherence of western states do not necessarily resemble the factors shaping the Russian case, the trend is similar. The loss of a shared national purpose radically undermines the interoperability, or capacity for rationally guided cooperative action, of increasingly fragmented state institutions worldwide.

Significantly, the Russian experience also sheds light on the global phenomenon of “superfluous people” produced by a worldwide movement for the liberation of the rich. Russia is an impressive example of the global trend toward growing economic inequality in the 21st century. But at the same time Putin’s Russia is, in a sense, a socialist utopia: only nature is exploited! The quarrying of natural resources in Russia resembles the technological wizardry and the shenanigans of the financial industry in the west in one distressing way. Russia’s ruling class did not enrich itself by exploiting labour but by privatising the public patrimony, especially the country’s hydrocarbon industry. Ordinary Russians do not even seem to them to be worth exploiting. Nor is there much to be gained by oppressing them or forcing them to swear allegiance to an orthodox ideology. Rather than trying to dominate or control their fellow citizens, the privileged few have simply turned their backs on them.

This strikingly new Russian pattern of spoliation and neglect tells us much more about what is going wrong in the west today than does the older pattern of repression and exploitation characteristic of most illiberal and undemocratic societies in the past. The fact that many of these newly superfluous Russians have university degrees also illuminates the dubious role of higher education in the world to come. Education may confer status but it does not necessarily provide access to jobs.

Russia is a classic case of how a handful of very rich and politically unaccountable self-enriching rulers have, despite internal rivalries, managed to stay atop the country’s fragmented society without resorting to historically high levels of violence. This political model, neither democratic nor authoritarian, neither exploitative in the Marxist sense, nor repressive in the liberal sense, is an image of the future that should keep us awake at night.

In short, what causes anxiety in the liberal west is not that Russia will run the world, but that much of the world will be run the way Russia is run today. What is disturbing is that the west has started to resemble Putin’s Russia more than we are ready to acknowledge.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/ivan-krastev/russia-haunts-the-western-imagination

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Zuper on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:50 pm

Neka bolje pogleda ocekivani zivotni vek zena u Rusiji i SAD, ima da se iznenadi.
Pitanje muskaraca je nasledje komunizma i devedesetih ali i to se prilicno popravilo.
Uzgredm, ne bih ja potezao demografiju toliko.

Rusija nije isto sto i SSSR, niti zele to da budu.
Ali znam da su finansijski stabilni od SSSR sto je ikada bio iz raznih razloga.
Ipak treba reci da nije tesko biti sposobniji od jednog Hruscova kojeg je Staljin korisito kao mecku da ga zabavlja a on kasnije postao predsednik SSSR...ti eksretari SSSR su uglavnom bili teske budale koje su dolazile na vlast zakulisnim radnjama raznih govnara a ne znanjem i sposobnoscu.

Problem Rusije jeste pokusaj kopiranja zapadnog sistema u raznim formama. Umesto da se ugledaju na Daleki istok sa svojim resursima. Ali KGB nije slucajno rusio SSSR vec da bi ozvancio svoje vlasnistvo, to jos vise vazi za skoro sve bivse SSSR drzave u odnosu na Rusiju...

Zapad da se udara do srece sto ima Putina u Moskvi.
Neko otresiti i spremniji na opste dobro u Rusiji bi vec odavno iskopriao gomilu zapadne tehnologije i sa ruskim resursima i znajem u pojedinim oblastima poput vojske, nuklearne tehnologije, vazduhoplovstva ili svemira, sada bi bio ogromna pretnja...
Ali Putinu je vaznije SP u fudbalu da bi se kreveljio i glumio ludilo nego tako nesto. Spucace $10-15 milijardi na nista. Bolje da je to spucao u nove avione, brodove, nosac(ne da im pari onaj Kuznjecov da se svi smeju), veci je efekat...

Dakle, spasiba Putinu.
To nije toliki sistem lazi kao sto je napravio Vucic ili Milo Djukanovic ipak je on uzeo Krim, stabilizovao Rusiju, pomalo se kurci prema zapadu, sto Kinezi ne smeju ni da pomisle u tom obimu, spasio Asadu glavu ali u odnosu na mogucnosti je prilicno smesno.

Ali i takav je manji govnar od potemkina zapada koji je u tolikoj lazi da je to neverovatno. I sreca je za njih sto imaju Putina, o gavnarima kineskim da ne govorim(na njihovu zalost to im nece pomoci, bice ruzno silovani), da ih neko ne razoblici do kraja sa njihovim laznim ekonomijama napucanim na kreditima u nekretnine do lazovskih medija.

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Post by Zuper on Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:22 pm

Gradnja mosta izmedju Krima i Rusije duzine 19 km se privodi kraju,







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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:48 pm

Zuper wrote: izmedju Krima i Rusije

Lepo i precizno receno.
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Filipenko on Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:58 pm

I iznad svega netačno, ali koga briga stanje na terenu u tom pojedinačnom slučaju.
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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by rumbeando on Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:06 pm

I, šta kažeš, baš si fotošopovanu sliku prvu morao da okačiš?

Zuper wrote:Gradnja mosta izmedju Krima i Rusije duzine 19 km se privodi kraju,






http://www.most.life/multimedia/foto/na-krymskom-mostu-pristupili-k-puskonaladke-avtomatizirovannoj-sistemy-upravleniya-dorozhnym-dvizhen/

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Zuper on Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:24 pm

Fakticki nema nikakve greske.
Svaka slika je lepa za sebe.

Vasilij wrote:
Zuper wrote: izmedju Krima i Rusije

Lepo i precizno receno.

Sve ja to postujem.

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Re: Rusija i sve vezano za nju

Post by Sotir on Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:46 pm

Vasilij wrote:
Zuper wrote: izmedju Krima i Rusije

Lepo i precizno receno.
Protiv Zupera Zuperovim metodama.

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