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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:33 pm

    ušli su pa su izašli

    evo ga naš vojvoda d'epere u carigaradu kao pobednik Komšiluk - Page 24 2304934895

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:35 pm

    Kondo wrote:jebeni saveznici kad nisu usli u carigrad

    Usli su, ali su na kraju Francuzi odlucili da je bolje odloziti  Komšiluk - Page 24 2304934895
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    Post by Esterházy Márton Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:29 pm

    Svaka čast Makronu....


    Mediji: Zaev podneo ostavku
    Diplomatski izvori EU izjavili su u petak u Briselu da je makedonski premijer Zoran Zaev podneo ostavku, javila je italijanska novinska agencija Ansa.

    https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2019&mm=10&dd=18&nav_category=78&nav_id=1605389
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    Post by kondo Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:38 pm

    nije i njega su ubedili da je bolje odloziti isto kao deperea

    a ovu tuznu istoriju bolje da ne znam


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    Post by kondo Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:40 pm

    sta im je hvalilo da turkiji ostave aziju a evropski deo daju grcite, to je ionako njihovo


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    Post by Esterházy Márton Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:50 pm

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    https://www.ft.com/content/5efd4630-f196-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195?shareType=nongift

    France under fire for blocking Balkan-EU accession talks
    US urges President Macron to allow formal negotiations with North Macedonia and Albania


    Michael Peel and Victor Mallet in Brussels and Valerie Hopkins in Belgrade 3 HOURS AGO

    France faced a backlash after blocking the start of formal EU talks with North Macedonia and Albania to join the bloc, deepening a dispute over enlargement that has become a defining test of the EU’s post-Brexit strategic ambitions. 

    The US intervened on Friday to urge that both countries be allowed to start the accession process, after French president Emmanuel Macron stood alone in opposing both their membership bids during talks with fellow EU leaders at a Brussels summit. 

    “The time to open accession negotiations with Albania and North Macedonia is now,” Morgan Ortagus, US state department spokesperson, said on Twitter on Friday. “The United States will welcome an affirmative . . . decision, recognising both countries’ hard fought gains on necessary reforms.”

    European critics of Paris’s stance say it is a betrayal of promises made to the two western Balkan states and risks pushing them and other countries in their region into the orbit of rival powers such as Russia and China.

    Giuseppe Conte, Italy’s prime minister, told reporters that failure to open EU enlargement to both countries would “be remembered as a historic error”. Donald Tusk, European Council president, also said it was a “mistake” not to begin the accession talks.

    The postponement has plunged the government of North Macedonia into crisis. The main opposition party has called for the pro-EU government of prime minister Zoran Zaev to resign.

    “I don’t know if France or anybody else in Europe is really aware of the disaster brewing in the region,” said Agon Maliqi, a Kosovar policy analyst based in Albania. “For us in the Balkans, yesterday Emmanuel Macron sounded like the European Trump.”

    Nikola Dimitrov, foreign minister of North Macedonia, said in a tweet: “The least that the EU owes the region is to be straightforward with us. If there is no more consensus on the European future of the western Balkans . . . the citizens deserve to know.”

    While President Donald Trump’s administration has had a difficult and even hostile relationship with the EU in some areas, its view on enlargement is shared by a large majority of bloc members.

    On North Macedonia, France is largely isolated among EU members. On Albania, its scepticism is shared by the Netherlands and Denmark.

    Supporters of opening talks with North Macedonia point to multiple reforms made by its government at the EU’s request, notably adding “North” to the country’s name to end a decades-old dispute with Greece, which has a region called Macedonia. 

    Alexis Tsipras, the former Greek prime minister who negotiated the end of the name dispute with Skopje, said in a tweet that rejecting the start of accession talks with North Macedonia was “a message of weakness and defeat for the European project”.

    Pro-accession EU diplomats say the bloc’s credibility is at stake if it refuses to open its doors to states that have made requested reforms. “It sends a very bad signal to other countries,” said one.

    France says neither North Macedonia nor Albania have completed the reforms required to begin accession talks.

    French leaders have long emphasised the need to reinforce cohesion in the existing EU and deepen its internal reforms rather than enlarge it to embrace new members, arguing that brain drains and mass emigration of young people from Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia to the rest of the EU demonstrate a problem of hasty enlargement. 

    “I do not think the only relationship we should have with our neighbourhood should be a relationship of expansion, of enlargement,” Mr Macron said at the end of the meeting. “It does not work very well with 28, it will not work very well with 27 and I am not sure it will work much better after enlargement.”

    Paris wants Albania to improve its co-operation on restricting illegal migration into the EU. Many asylum seekers in France are Albanians deemed to be fleeing for economic reasons rather than to escape persecution — but Paris is wary about being portrayed as targeting Albania, which is largely Muslim, while favouring North Macedonia, which is largely Christian.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:52 pm

    Pazi, sto se Srbije tice, ja bih mogao odmah da se slozim: single market i to  je dovoljno. Carinska politika samostalna. 


    I clanstvo u NATOu naravno
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    Post by Zuper Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:55 pm

    Vrati se Zaevu, ne idi...
    Pa nije secer u vodu, dace ti u prosincu nesto.
    Nisi valjda stvarno mislio da tebe samo cekaju u EU.
    Ovi levati razni Ciprasi i Zaevi stvarno pisancija.
    Nekako imam osecaj da je i ovaj nas jedan od takvih velicina koji se precenjuju u znacaju...
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    Post by Zuper Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:59 pm

    Kondo wrote:jebeni saveznici kad nisu usli u carigrad

    Pet godina, ej, pet godina vladali u Carigradu i onda se Britanci povukli da bi zavukli crvenima u Rusiji...
    Francuzi su se povukli iz Kapadokije, poznate Anadolije, pa su Grci pukli u Maloj Aziji...
    Turska na kraju 1918 skoro nije postojala, mala oblast od Ankare do Crnog mora...
    Zato toliko kace slike Ataturka.

    Ali nema brige, kurdska demografija ce odraditi posao. Za 30ak godina eto Kurda na 40-50% turske populacije...
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    Post by Zuper Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:07 pm


    [size=30]“Ostavku ne dam ni za šta na svetu” [/size]
    Premijer Severne Makedonije Zoran Zaev posle navoda medija da podnosi ostavku rekao je da "ostavku ne da ni za šta na svetu",saznaje B92 iz izvora bliskih Zaevu

    Tako je, to je duh.
    Eto tebe da otvaras sampanj u prosincu iako to sustinski nista nece znaciti.
    Malo su te pljunuli ali sta je to u poredjenju sa mogucnostima budzeta pa i jedne geografske Macedonije...
    Teska zrtva.
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    Post by Guest Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:54 pm

    od bizarnih priča izdvajamo

    http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/10/svet/3714750/-od-teherana-do-draca-zaboravljeni-spijunski-triler.html


    Osuđeni na život u egzilu jer ih vlasti u Iranu terete za smrt 12.000 ljudi, pripadnici organizacije Mudžahedin el Kalk, posle neslavne epizode u Iraku, utočište su potražili u Albaniji. Okolina Drača postala je dom za 3.000 Iranaca, pošto je prethodna albanska vlada smatrala da bi takav potez dodatno ojačao pozicije Tirane u Vašingtonu.
    ...
    Oko 3.000 Iranaca, koji su na vrhovima bajoneta izneli teret Islamske revolucije, u Drač su stigli kada je postalo izvesno da iranski disidenti neće preživeti rastući iranski uticaj u Iraku.
    ...
    Dolaskom Amerikanaca u Irak 2003. godine, MeK se našao u prilično lošoj situaciji, jer je ta organizacija već godinama bila na listi terorističkih organizacija, a tokom američke invazije bila je označena i kao "neprijateljska".

    U zakulisnim pregovorima, Amerikanci i čelnici MeK-a postigli su dogovor o prekidu vatre, a cela organizacija je razoružana i suštinski ostavljena zaboravu u bazi koju im je ranije dodelio Sadam Husein.

    Rastući iranski uticaj u tom delu Iraka rezultirao je brojnim napadima i egzekucijama pripadnika MeK-a, pa su, suočeni sa verovatnim istrebljenjem, pomoć zatražili od Amerikanaca, pre svega od neokonzervativaca, koji su u svojoj viziji budućnosti Irana, upravo ovu organizaciju videli kao osnov novih vlasti.

    Uprkos protivljenju tadašnje državne sekretarke Kondolize Rajs, koja je bila protiv saradnje sa organizacijom koju SAD smatra terorističkom, Donald Ramsfeld i Dik Čejni su ih videli kao sjajno oružje za borbu protiv Irana, pa je Ramsfeld, kako navode izveštaji iz tog vremena, izgovorio čuvenu rečenicu: "Momci prvo idu u Bagdad pa onda u Teheran".
    ...
    Kako bi uklonili rezerve skeptika, administracija Baraka Obame je na gotovo volšeban način uklonila MeK sa liste terorističkih organizacija 2012. godine. Ova operacija je smišljena kako bi se pronašao novi domaćin za potencijalne saveznike, jer je posle serije ubistava u Iraku postalo kristalno jasno da pripadnici MeK-a u Iraku jednostavno ne mogu da prežive.

    Danijel Bendžamin, koji je u vreme kada je MeK brisan sa liste terorističkih organizacija bio visoki zvaničnik Stejt departmenta, rekao je da je takav potez podržao iz čisto humanitarnih razloga, jer je postajala realna opasnost da svi pripadnici Mudžahedin el Kalka budu pobijeni u Iraku.

    Bivši američki obaveštajci, suštinski, ovu grupu smatraju bizarnom i brutalnom, a MeK je navodno bio i jedan od ključnih faktora u razdoru između državnog sekretara Majka Pompea i sada već bivšeg savetnika za nacionalnu bezbednost Džona Boltona. Naime, Pompeo ni po koju cenu nije želeo da administraciju vezuje sa organizacijom tek izbrisanom sa liste terorističkih organizacija.

    "Da budemo jasni oko ovog pitanja. Ambasador Bolton je govorio na njihovim skupovima, predsednik Tramp i ja nismo", objasnio je Pompeo.
    ...
    Sticajem čudnih okolnosti, nekih 3.000 iranskih disidenata marksističko-islamističke ideologije našlo se nadomak Drača u Albaniji.

    Posle epizode u Iraku, Amerikanci su im potražili novo stanište, što su vlasti u Tirani, na čijem se čelu nalazio Salji Beriša, videle kao ozbiljnu šansu da se dodatno približe Vašingtonu, pa su pristali da 300 pripadnika MeK-a naseli u toj državi. Opozicija je podržala ovakav potez, a nekoliko godina kasnije njihov broj je, u saglasnosti sa vladom Edija Rame, dostigao tri hiljade.

    Nedaleko od Drača, uz zdušnu finansijsku pomoć iranske emigracije, izgradili su pravi kompleks, koji vlasti u Teheranu vide kao jedan od glavnih centara antiiranske propagande u svetu.
    ...
    Albanske vlasti tvrde da je nadziranje premašilo granice tolerancije, pa su iznenada objavili da je nekoliko pripadnika iranskih paravojnih formacija planiralo napade na Mudžahedin el Kalk. Iranski obaveštajci su se, navodno, povezali sa turskom mafijom i uz pomoć nekolicine bivših pripadnika Mudžahedin el Kalka prikupljali informacije o aktivnostima disidenata u Albaniji.

    Policija je navela da je pokušaj napada sprečen u martu, ali je ostalo nejasno da li je tokom policijske akcije bilo uhapšenih. Godinu dana ranije, Ramina vlada proterala je iranskog ambasadora i još jednu osobu, objašnjavajući taj potez namerom da ugroze stabilnost Albanije.
    ...
    Tezu o umešanosti turskog podzemlja i iranskih obaveštajaca u navodnom planiranju napada na kompleks kod Drača, albanska policija zasniva na materijalu koji su prikupili o izvesnom Ervinu Aramu, austrijskom državljaninu, koga su pre nekoliko meseci ispitali na aerodromu u Tirani.

    U daljem nastavku ove sage, operacijom je rukovodio pripadnik Kuda, snaga republikanske garde, koji je vrbovao pripadnike Mudžahedin el Kalka kako bi mu prenosili informacije o razvoju situacije u Draču.

    Turski deo ove afere čine dvojica značajnih turskih mafijaša, koji se bave švercom droge. Njihov direktan interes da učestvuju u ovakvoj operaciji, međutim, nije u potpunosti razjašnjen.
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    Post by Guest Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:04 pm

    Rama & Duško M razrađuju tezgarenje, uz par poznatih minglera


    London ballroom hosts showcase event for 'golden passports'
    Three PMs attend marketing sales event on how wealthy can snap up citizenship from $100,000


    Three prime ministers took to a stage in the ballroom of a five-star London hotel this week offering the world’s wealthiest people “golden passports” and citizenship of their countries in return for hundreds of thousands of pounds of investment or flat “contributions”.


    Allen Chastanet, the prime minister of the Caribbean island of St Lucia, told about 300 members of the super-rich elite and their advisers gathered at the Rosewood hotel for “global citizenship conference” that his country’s economic mission was “going after high net-worth individuals and giving them a comfortable place to live”.

    He promised that in return for a $100,000 (£78,000) “contribution to the national economic fund” applicants would be granted St Lucian citizenship within three months. With it comes a so-called “golden passport” giving visa-free travel to 145 countries, including the UK, the European Union’s Schengen Area, Hong Kong and Singapore.

    Also selling citizenships at the conference were the prime ministers of Albania and Montenegro, a Maltese minister, an ambassador from Antigua and Barbuda, and representatives from Cyprus.

    Věra Jourová, the incoming European commission vice-president, said: “The citizenship schemes raise a number of concerns. The granting of citizenship poses a serious security risk because it gives beneficiaries all the rights of EU citizens and allows them to move freely throughout the union. The EU must not become a safe haven for criminals, corruption and dirty money.

    “While we cannot ban these schemes on the EU level due to lack of competence, we want more transparency on how nationality is granted and more co-operation between member states. There should be no weak link in the EU, where people could shop around for the most lenient scheme.”

    She previously described the sale of passports as “dangerous”, “problematic” and “unfair”, adding: “Having a lot of money alone shouldn’t give you a free pass to benefit from the EU citizenship… if in one country a dangerous person gets citizenship, he gets citizenship for the whole of Europe. Maybe we all have to renegotiate the whole system.”

    The conference featured a keynote address by the former CIA director David Petraeus, and was compered by Nils Blythe, a former BBC business correspondent and ex-head of communications at the Bank of England.

    The three-day event, which cost £1,500 a ticket, was organised by Henley & Partners, a London-based firm that acts as matchmaker between the super-rich and countries selling their citizenships. Henley has made tens of millions of dollars in commission from selling citizenship. The trade is legal, and Henley is not accused of any sort of wrongdoing.

    Cyprus, which asks for an investment of at least €2m (£1.7m), gave citizenship to Jho Low, the fugitive Malaysian businessman at the centre of the 1MDB sovereign wealth fund scandal.

    The island nation, which as a member of the EU thereby gives its new citizens access to the rest of the bloc, has said it will revoke Low’s citizenship and that of 25 other suspects to whom it has sold passports. Cyprus has made about €6bn issuing about 4,000 passports since the scheme was introduced in 2013.

    Malta, which is also an EU member state, has sold citizenship to five people charged with criminal offences overseas. They include Anatoly Hurgin, an Israeli citizen charged by the US and Israeli authorities with fraud, smuggling and money-laundering.

    Hurgin’s cyber-intelligence firm, Ability Inc, has been accused of helping countries spy on and locate targets. Hurgin, a former major in the Israeli Defence Force, boasted to Forbes that: “With just a few million dollars and a phone number, you can snoop on any call or text that phone makes – no matter where you are or where the device is located.”

    Daphne Caruana Galizia, the Maltese investigative journalist murdered in 2017, had raised concerns about Hurgin when he first received Maltese citizenship in 2016.

    While St Lucia is famed for its white sand beaches and azure seas, Chastanet said there was no requirement for the country’s rich new citizens to actually live on the island, as long as they paid the money to the St Lucia development fund and bought a home in the country.

    “St Lucia is modernising itself, and going to be making itself competitive on a global basis,” he said. “And it’s looking for new citizens that want to take advantage of what St Lucia has to offer.”

    Chastanet, who has served as prime minister of the former British colony since 2016, claimed many of the country’s new citizens were from the US. “When they’re traveling abroad, they don’t want to have a US passport,” he said.

    Chastanet was joined on the ballroom stage in the Rosewood hotel, where rooms can cost more than £2,000 a night, by Edi Rama, the prime minister of Albania and Duško Marković, the prime minister of Montenegro.

    Rama launched Albania’s citizenship-by-investment programme at the conference promising a “10-year tax holiday”. He reminded delegates that Albania was an official candidate for accession to the European Union, which would give new Albanian citizens the right to live and work across the bloc.

    “I know that there are controversies around this type of programme,” Rama said. “At the same time I strongly believe this is the right way, and this is what we have to do …There are, of course, risks but we cannot deny to our country and our future the enormous potential of this programme.”

    Marković said he was offering 2,000 people Montenegrin citizenship in return for a €100,000 contribution to government coffers, and a property investment of at least €250,000. The Montenegro government said individuals would only be granted citizenship following very thorough security checks.


    Ben Cowdock, a researcher at the anti-corruption campaign group Transparency International UK, said: “There is a growing body of evidence that corrupt elites use ‘Golden Visas’ to gain residency and citizenship across Europe. Selling a fast track to citizenship has dubious economic benefits, whilst providing an open door to those with deep pockets and a past to hide. There are serious questions whether pawning residency and citizenship should be allowed to continue.”

    The governments of St Lucia and Albania did not respond to requests for comment.

    Henley & Partners did not respond to requests for comment in time of publication. However, it has consistently supported its role in worldwide investment migration, which it has previously said drives industry-diversifying foreign direct investment that creates sustainable growth for countries and opportunity for their people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/nov/16/london-ballroom-hosts-showcase-event-for-golden-passports
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    Post by kondo Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:09 pm

    Zar Grci ne daju drzavljanstvo za kupovinu nekretnine ili investiciju od 250.000 EUR


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:12 am

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/246998/article/ekathimerini/comment/greece-is-no-longer-part-of-the-problem-french-defense-expert-says
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    Post by Esterházy Márton Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:49 am

    China is still learning how to operate as a global payer; this is a tricky process – China is basically prudent in the way it goes about this, and as a consequence it is also quite efficient. For example, it is already impossible now for the European Union to have a common position on freedom of navigation vis-a-vis China, it is impossible for us to have a common position on the 5G problem, it is impossible for us to have a common position on the control of foreign investment and notably Chinese investment. This China has managed to do without us even noticing and this happened over the last three to four years. And the relationship with Russia is an important component of our international relations and our strategy, whether it’s for defense, whether it’s for diplomacy, whether it’s in a damage limitation mode or a more constructive mode, Russia is important – but Russia is like the weather. China is like climate change – it’s not simply the thunderstorm you had in Athens last night, it’s the climate in Athens in 10 years’ time.

    Kako se samo ovoga nisu setili 1990, recimo...?
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    Post by паће Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:57 am

    Па нису мислили да ико може да ради оно што су они увек радили, само боље и јаче. И онда какву год меру да донесу, могу да науде сопственим прекоморским фирмама.


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    Post by Esterházy Márton Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:04 pm

    Otupi se u pobedi, pomislili su da mogu da kontrolisu i jedne i druge, jos znali da su Kina i Rusija na prilicno udaljenim, pa i neprijateljskim pozicijama. A danas...bas su sve to genijalno odradili magovi geopolitike na Zapadu.

    Btw, intervju je trezven i racionalan, ali vrvi od naknadne pameti. I fino otkriva sve aspekte konfuzije politicko-bezbednosne politike u NATO i EU.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:32 pm

    Ali, pa nema "magova geopolitike". Mislim, ima, ali prvo misle različito, a drugo jedna vlast radi jedno, druga drugo, pa i jedna ista vlast radi različito u dva mandata. Pa onda različite velike države Zapada imaju različite politike i spoljnopolitičke agende. Niko 2000 na vlasti objektivno ne čini nešto imajući na umu 2020. Ako sa Rusijom i postoji nekakav kontinuitet, sa Kinom je smejurija. Prime je u WTO, razviju saradnju do maksimuma - pa čekaj, šta ste mislili da će se desiti? Zemlja od milijardu i po, neograničen ljudski (radni) potencijal, a oranizovana, nije kao Indija. Huntington je 90tih mislio da glavna opasnost preti od Japana  Komšiluk - Page 24 3579118792 Mislim, ok, Japan ima veci strateski potencijal nego sto trenutno pokazuje, ali jbg, relativno malo ostrvo sa 100m stanovnika, svaki pokusaj kontinentalne dominacije je nemoguc u eri masovne politike.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:35 pm

    Još jedan iz Katimerinija 

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/247070/article/ekathimerini/news/turkish-diplomat-posts-map-with-ankaras-view-of-continental-shelf
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    Post by паће Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:37 pm

    KinderLad wrote:
    ... svaki pokusaj kontinentalne dominacije je nemoguc u eri masovne politike.

    Ех, да је масовна. Него то заседне уже братија, само што нису испред радње него у фотељама.


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    Post by Esterházy Márton Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:50 pm

    KinderLad wrote:Ali, pa nema "magova geopolitike". Mislim, ima, ali prvo misle različito, a drugo jedna vlast radi jedno, druga drugo, pa i jedna ista vlast radi različito u dva mandata. Pa onda različite velike države Zapada imaju različite politike i spoljnopolitičke agende. Niko 2000 na vlasti objektivno ne čini nešto imajući na umu 2020. Ako sa Rusijom i postoji nekakav kontinuitet, sa Kinom je smejurija. Prime je u WTO, razviju saradnju do maksimuma - pa čekaj, šta ste mislili da će se desiti? Zemlja od milijardu i po, neograničen ljudski (radni) potencijal, a oranizovana, nije kao Indija. Huntington je 90tih mislio da glavna opasnost preti od Japana  Komšiluk - Page 24 3579118792 Mislim, ok, Japan ima veci strateski potencijal nego sto trenutno pokazuje, ali jbg, relativno malo ostrvo sa 100m stanovnika, svaki pokusaj kontinentalne dominacije je nemoguc u eri masovne politike.

    Karikirao sam malo, naravno. Mozda bi bilo vise srece da je, kao u Hladnom ratu, kapital malo vise slusao politiku. Samo, izgleda da je Kina malo bolje razumela logiku kapitala i okrenula ga u sopstvenu korist. Sto se tice Rusa, ipak se desavalo ono sto su Amerikanci zeleli, a svi manji interesi morali su da prate tu igru. Plus gajenje hladnoratovske bezbednosne NATO igracke u novim okolnostima kada je on objektivno izgubio smisao. Hocu da kazem da je za prestrojavanje silovika poprilicno zasluzna bahata politika Bele kuce, gradjenje odnosa na drugacijim osnovama dalo bi bolje rezultate, a kineska visegodisnja nepogoda niti bi dosla tako brzo, niti imala tu snagu. Ovako, sada se Putinu bacaju neki signali da bi se mogli otopliti odnosi. Sve to su mogli i 2007, tada im je to i rekao, ali ga nisu poslusali. Jbg.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:09 pm

    Kao sto je u Rusiji glavni problem oligarhija, tako i u Americi ogromna administracija tesko pravi radikalne zaokrete, postoje ustaljeni nacini misljenja i kad su glavni strateski pravci u pitanju to je ogroman brod koji se tesko okrece. Plus ima tu jos faktora u igri kao sto su velike evropske zemlje, ali i Turska i Bliski istok. Rusima su sad usli daleko u "trbuh", a ovi ih troluju na Balkanu i drugde gde stignu po Evropi, totalno nepoverenje.
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    Post by Esterházy Márton Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:25 pm

    KinderLad wrote:Kao sto je u Rusiji glavni problem oligarhija, tako i u Americi ogromna administracija tesko pravi radikalne zaokrete, postoje ustaljeni nacini misljenja i kad su glavni strateski pravci u pitanju to je ogroman brod koji se tesko okrece. Plus ima tu jos faktora u igri kao sto su velike evropske zemlje, ali i Turska i Bliski istok. Rusima su sad usli daleko u "trbuh", a ovi ih troluju na Balkanu i drugde gde stignu po Evropi, totalno nepoverenje.

    Slazem se oko oligarhije i administracije, ali tu postoji 1 paradoks. U Rusiji je na pocetku tranzicije 80% obicnih ljudi Amerikance gledalo kao na prijatelje, postoje ankete iz tog perioda. Gorbacov i Jeljcin su marginalizovali sve udare bezbednjackog deep state-a koji je takodje bio u zestokom previranju jos iz sovjetskih vremena, samo sto se o tome tek kasnije malo vise saznalo (verovatno je Andropov bio kljucni covek koji je gurnuo klatno ka liberalnoj opciji). Kad se sklanja Jeljcin zbog potpunog ekonomskog fijaska, oligarhija dovodi Putina, kao resenje koje ce da izbalansira liberale i silovike, ali ne i da ih potpuno izjednaci. I dok se kod Rusa desavaju dinamicne promene, adminsitarcija u SAD stalno stiska Ruse, prilicno blagonaklono se gleda na akcije islamistickih grupa po Kavkazu, o cecenskim ratovima da ne pricamo, NATO je tek tema za sebe, kao i delovanje Turske po Srednjoj Aziji od Turguta Ozala do sultanovih vremena. Do 2004/05 bilo je par relaksiranja, ali 2006/07 opet se sve vratilo u stari kolosek. Ruska obnova skokom petrodolara nije smela da se nastavi daljim energetskim jacanjem (americke akcije oko Severnog toka 1, Juznog toka, Nabuko planovi itd). od 2008 odnosi se intenzivno hlade, da bi sve eskaliralo sa Ukrajinom i kolacima Vikice Nuland.

    A mi mu dodjemo, sumanuti i neobezbedjeni kao kolateral,  taman da Rusi odigraju kontru zbog zabadanja SAD u ukrajinsko "dvoriste".

    edit. U poslednje vreme, sve vise gledam stvari iz ekonomske tacke, krupni multinacionalni kapital izgleda nije mogao da se plasira na drugaciji i suptilniji nacin u Rusiju, u odnosu na, recimo, Istocnu Evropu, gde je manje-vise lagano prolazio (sem one kratke epizode sa Mecijarom i Ilijeskuom). Radile su stare netrpeljivosti, stereotipi, hladnoratovske navike. A  kompatibilnost snage ekonomije i nauke sa jedne i resursa sa druge strane je neverovatna.
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    Post by Esterházy Márton Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:29 pm

    Bugarin moze da  bude okrenut ka Nemcima, Amerima ili Rusima, ali Makedonija je za sve bolna tema...


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