Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Kondo on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:30 am

ovo je za rahojevu majicu


nesto razmisljam, zar puć nije trebalo da ostane u kataloniji i ode na suđenje u madridu i u zatvor ako mu je zaista stalo do nezavisnosti a ne do sebe. od tog poteza nema boljeg političkog benzina na ovu vatru, da iskoristi suđenje za finalnu politčku agitaciju i pridobijanje kritičnih masa koje još uvek nisu dovoljno velike.

u briselu neće ni da ga puste da uđe u zgrade EU. ali ima dobar onaj čokolatijer, markolini beše?


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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Blind Lime Pie on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:41 am

Nije bilo ni govora o resetkama, tuzilac je jasno rekao da nece traziti pritvor vec da ce sudski poziv biti urucen redovnim putem. Naravno da je trebalo da brani svoju poziciju na sudu. A izmedju Barselone i Brisela nema nijednog granicnog prelaza. Mogao je da ode u bilo kom trenutku, za godinu ili dve, ali je resio da ode odmah.

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Post by Gargantua on Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:12 pm

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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by diktotar on Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:42 pm

izbori ce biti referendum, i sta ce spanija onda? ili ce preduzeti mere kako bi im rezultati odgovarali


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Post by Zuper on Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:39 pm

Support for creation of an independent Catalan state rose to 3 year high in October at 48.7% vs 41.1% in June: RTRS



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Post by Zuper on Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:16 pm

PUIGDEMONT LEAVES BRUSSELS FOR BARCELONA: VANGUARDIA


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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:42 pm

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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:47 pm

BMK ima pesmu za svaki okasion



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Post by Gargantua on Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:49 pm

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Spain (Catalonia): Majority of voters now supports independence: 53% (GESOP poll). #Catalonia
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:51 pm

ne znam, izbacuju se svakakvi pollovi sada, juce sam video neki gde je nezavisnost na 40%.


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Post by Zuper on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:06 pm

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:BMK ima pesmu za svaki okasion


Ima ali su mu bolje socijalne teme od vojnih,





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Post by Ointagru Unartan on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:21 pm

Ima na Vikipediji deo o anketama:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_movement#Public_opinion

Reklo bi se da je podrska nezavisnosti vrhunac dozivela 2013. i da je od tada u konstantnom padu. Videcemo kako su ova sad desavanja uticala. Prva anketa posle proglasavanja nezavisnosti pokazala je da bi separatisti mogli da izgube vecinu. Ako se takticko povlacenje vodja separatista u Brisel u Kataloniji protumaci kao kukavicluk i izdaja, vrlo je moguce da to za posledicu ima gubitak izbora, bez obzira na stavove o nezavisnosti.


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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Gargantua on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:25 pm

Carles Puigdemont, the dismissed Catalan president, will not appear before the Supreme Court on Thursday, his Belgian lawyer Peter Bekaert confirmed on Dutch television channel NOS.
"We want to wait for the reaction of the Spanish government and see what happens," said Bekaert, who believes that there is a high chance that Puigdemont could be arrested.
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Post by Mr.Pink on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:35 pm

pa naravno da raste podrška nezavisnosti. ne treba nikakav poll za to, dovoljne su samo mere madrida i ovo što kaže pućdemon, nedostatak demokratskog kapaciteta. to sa deklaracijama nezavisnosti je uvek ples u dvoje, dok neka od strana jednostrano ne istupi.


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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Mr.Pink on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:44 pm

naravno da puć ne treba da pristane na neko montirano suđenje u madridu. to ne bi bilo suđenje za život ili smrt, nego parada prava i države.

tamo bi se katalanska stvar se razvodnjavala uzduž i popreko do besmisla i nazad, a on bi dobio simboličnu novčanu kaznu za izazivanje nemira. ovako se stiče utisak da je ozbiljna stvar po sredi, a i brisel se upliće.


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Post by William Murderface on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:57 pm

Puć, kakav prikladan nadimak. Not with a bang, but with a puć.


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Post by паће on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:04 pm

William Murderface wrote:Puć, kakav prikladan nadimak. Not with a bang, but with a puć.

То ми је пало на ум чим ми је било објашњено да није до словног распореда него се баш тако чита.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:50 pm


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Post by Gargantua on Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:52 pm


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Spain (Catalonia): Snap election would bring majority for independence-supporters (Sociométrica poll). #Catalonia #Cataluña
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:01 am



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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:03 am

Gargantua wrote:

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Spain (Catalonia): Snap election would bring majority for independence-supporters (Sociométrica poll). #Catalonia #Cataluña

Puc predao palicu.

Mislim da ce ipak ici independisticki blok zajdno, izuzev ove gradonacelnice Barselone.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:07 am

Meni ovo izgleda kao da upravo od nje zavisi na koju će se stranu prelomiti. Ovo je većina od 1 poslanika. Ako bi im se onda priključila to bi već bilo nešto drugo.


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Re: Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:09 am

nece im se prikljuciti. ona je za pregovore sa Madridom ali sustinski nije za nezavisnost, odnosno boli je stojko. njihova politicka snaga je jedino u Barseloni, koja je realno najslabija tacka independista.


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