Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

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Post by bruno sulak on Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:59 pm

pa najpametnije im je sada da objave nezavisnost i da vide sta ce madrid da radi. mislim da se precenjuje i resenost pp da ide do kraja.


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Post by Quincy Endicott on Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:02 pm

Nije zgoreg da organizuju smotru Zbora katalonske narodne garde na stadionu Monžuik.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:04 pm

Pa ne znam šta je "kraj" konkretno, ali bez npr kontrole platnog prometa i policije - nema države. Pogotovu što ih niko neće priznati.


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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:25 am

"U Kataloniji ne postoji problem kršenja ljudskih prava, jer Katalonci, koji su mi dragi i čiju kulturu poštujem, nisu pod represijom Španije. Ne može se povlačiti paralela sa Slovenijom i drugim zemljama bivše Jugoslavije s onime što se događa u Kataloniji", rekao je Junker za portugalsku televiziju RTP.

jer svi znamo čuvenu izreku "represovan ko slovenac u jugoslaviji" 
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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:57 am

Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy asks Senate for authority to depose Catalonian leader


Catalan News‏ @catalannews  32m
LIVE: Mariano Rajoy starts speech in Spanish Senate to explain reasons for enforcing measures against Catalonia's self-rule

Most Spanish senators applaud Mariano Rajoy when he says that measure against Catalan self-rule includes removing all Catalan govt members

Mariano Rajoy: “The only thing I've been invited to negotiate are the terms and timing of independence”

Rajoy receives a standing ovation after ending his speech saying: “I hope that we respond in the fashion that all Spaniards are expecting.”



Marc Vidal Juanola‏ @marc_vi 50s51 seconds ago
Marc Vidal Juanola Retweeted Diari ARA
Spain has the right to defend itself, says @marianorajoy on #Catalonia. First measure is to cease the #Catalan President
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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:59 am

Samantha Jenkins‏ @samanthajenkins   3 minutes ago
Senate gave PM Rajoy a standing ovation for 82 seconds after his address (I counted)
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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:02 am

Veciti derbi - galjegos protiv katalanosa


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Post by Guest on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:10 am

Danas je sve nekako ceremonijalno i bez histerije, izgleda da obe strane znaju koji su im jedini mogući koraci. Pretpostavljam da će deklaracija o nezavisnosti biti aktivirana simultano sa članom 155.
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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:31 am

Paul Waldie‏Verified account @pwaldieGLOBE 2m2 minutes ago
Motion in Catalan parliament: We shall constitute the Catalan Republic as an independent, and sovereign, democratic and social state of law
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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:31 am

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Post by Guest on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:38 am

Kako reč republika dobro zvuči, nasuprot ogavnoj reči kraljevina.
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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:40 am

Ostaje jos samo da se vidi hoe li uspeti da proglase. Mislim da li ce imati vecinu i da li ce uopste uspeti da se sastane parlament. Kako su parcijalno "napali" referendum, uopste me ne bi udilo da uhapse tipa 10 poslanika independista.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:43 am

Blind Lime Pie wrote:Kako reč republika dobro zvuči, nasuprot ogavnoj reči kraljevina.

Ελληνική Δημοκρατία

Ovo zvuci najbolje

edit: mada ni "Commonwealth" nije lose 


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Post by rumbeando on Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:00 pm

Google prevod dokumenta na engleski, ako nekog zanima:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fib3img.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fwp-content%2Ffiles_mf%2Fresoluciojuntsxsi.pdf&edit-text=

Original:
http://ib3img.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/files_mf/resoluciojuntsxsi.pdf
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Post by Guest on Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:45 pm

vise nema formalnog osnova za povlacenje clana 155.

LATEST: PSOE withdraws amendment in Senate that would have allowed for reversal of Article 155.

Katalonski parlament odlozio pocetak sednice
tako je i juce krenulo. sve je bilo jasno a onda vise nista nije bilo jasno.

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Post by Zuper on Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:46 pm

LATEST: Catalan Parliament says independence session pushed back AGAIN. No time so far.


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Post by Zuper on Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:49 pm

Catalan Parliament Confirms Independence Resolution Accepted For Debate

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Post by Quincy Endicott on Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:36 pm

Blind Lime Pie wrote:

LATEST: PSOE withdraws amendment in Senate that would have allowed for reversal of Article 155.




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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:56 pm

Catalan News‏ @catalannews  19m19 minutes ago
Debate is already underway in the Catalan parliament. First to talk, Carlos Carrizosa, from the leading opposition party @CiudadanosCs

Carrizosa: "Today is a sad, dramatic day in Catalonia. It's the day when a coup against our democracy will be perpetrated"

Carrizosa: "The referendum was an absolute disgrace"

Carrizosa accuses pro-independence government of behaving in a "populist, undemocratic and totalitarian way"

"C's won't allow Spain to be broken up, to be divided & financially ruined", says Carrizosa ripping up independence declaration document

Now it's the turn of Socialist @Eva_Granados: "We don't want to decide. We don't believe Spain is totalitarian"

.@Eva_Granados "You are being irresponsible, many are afraid and worried" "How many workers will you condemn to povertry?"

.@Eva_Granados to pro-independence forces: "Today you are destroying everything"

Granados (PSC): "We won't participate in the vote. We'll leave the plenary to not be part of this huge mistake that you are about to commit"
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Post by Quincy Endicott on Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:58 pm

Gargantua wrote:Catalan News‏ @catalannews  19m19 minutes ago
Debate is already underway in the Catalan parliament. First to talk, Carlos Carrizosa, from the leading opposition party @CiudadanosCs

Carrizosa: "Today is a sad, dramatic day in Catalonia. It's the day when a coup against our democracy will be perpetrated"

Carrizosa: "The referendum was an absolute disgrace"

Carrizosa accuses pro-independence government of behaving in a "populist, undemocratic and totalitarian way"

"C's won't allow Spain to be broken up, to be divided & financially ruined", says Carrizosa ripping up independence declaration document

Now it's the turn of Socialist @Eva_Granados: "We don't want to decide. We don't believe Spain is totalitarian"

.@Eva_Granados "You are being irresponsible, many are afraid and worried" "How many workers will you condemn to povertry?"

.@Eva_Granados to pro-independence forces: "Today you are destroying everything"

Granados (PSC): "We won't participate in the vote. We'll leave the plenary to not be part of this huge mistake that you are about to commit"



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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:59 pm

Marta Ribas (CSQP): "You don't have the democratic legitimacy to declare independence"
Ribas (CSQP): "It's a huge mistake to respond to article 155 by declaring independence"
Ribas (CSQP): "We'll vote 'no' because we don't agree with unilateral proposals"
Ribas (CSQP) says they also reject article 155 because it wants to "liquidate" Catalan autonomy


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Post by Quincy Endicott on Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:03 pm

sace da govori lik iz PP


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Post by Gargantua on Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:08 pm

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Post by Quincy Endicott on Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:09 pm

lik iz PP nabraja ko je sve protiv, Makron, Junker, Merkel i ko je za - Maduro. i to na perfektnom kastiljanskom.

jebo bi mu mamicu


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