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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:20 am

Inače stvarno mislim da cela Evropa treba da se raspadne na nekakve bazične jedinice.


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Još samo kad bismo otkrili koje su to jedinice.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:25 am

Katalonaca koji su za nezavisnost ima ni tri miliona, verovatno 2,5 miliona, dakle nekoliko stotina hiljada više nego Albanaca na Kosovu koji su za nezavisnost. Španija je zemlja od 50 miliona ljudi, ekonomski, vojno, politički, apsolutno u svakom smislu eonima puta ispred Srbije. Jednostavno ako se zainate to može da traje 30 godina.


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:41 am

Doduše, još uvek postoji opcija da se bar PSOE jasno distancira od ovakve politike vlade i tako proba da predupredi najgore, bar koliko može. Ako imaju herca.


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Post by паће on Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:46 am

Kinder Lad wrote:Doduše, još uvek postoji opcija da se bar PSOE jasno distancira od ovakve politike vlade i tako proba da predupredi najgore, bar koliko može. Ako imaju herca.

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Post by Gargantua on Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:33 am

[size=42]Quiet showdown in Barcelona
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  • A demonstration in Barcelona on Catalonia's national day. (Photo: Reuters)



By HELENA SPONGENBERG
BARCELONA, 22. SEP, 17:58


Many students across Catalonia answered the call of a students union and suspended classes on Friday morning (22 September).
Under the motto: "We empty the classrooms for democracy," they filled up squares and streets, in favour of the independence referendum, which the Catalan government wants to organise on 1 October, and to protest against this week's police action to prevent it.



  • At night, the the sound of tape being unrolled is heard in all directions. (Photo: Helena Spongenberg)


"People are fed up and very active, so there is a clear push for mobilisation," Oriol Bartomeus, a professor of political science told EUobserver.
The students' protest was part of a wider movement that started on Wednesday morning when 14 people - many of them government officials - were detained while Spanish police carried out raids in government offices. The last six detainees were released, with charges, early on Friday afternoon.
"They have detained government officials for having promoted the referendum. We are here to defend the people who represent us," Arnau Capo, a 19-year-old student, told EUobserver on Wednesday, while demonstrating in front of the Catalan economy department.
Inside the building, the police were searching for evidence of public money being spent to fund the referendum.

"We found out through the social media where there were communications calling on people to go and give support to the people detained," said his friend Ignasi Espinosa, a 20-year-old student.
"The idea is that it all has to be pacific and democratic - zero violence," he added.
On Thursday, the protests continued on two other locations across Barcelona – one by the Arc de Triomf and by the Catalan Constitutional Court. Across Catalonia other activist took to the streets in smaller groups.
"My son asked me on my way out: 'Dad, where are you going with the big ladder', and I answered 'I'm just popping out to fix something big'," a man in his forties explained to a group of acquaintances by the market.
Almost a hundred people had gathered in the dark. One carried a bucket and a brush, others had brought glue, while most carried big rolls of transparent tape.

Black and white A4 posters were handed out to the people present, and some had brought their own. Soon the people started to form into smaller groups, going down the streets in different directions.
Their mission: to put up campaign posters to stand in for the millions of posters confiscated by the Spanish gendarmes in the last few weeks. The poster movement has gathered momentum in the last few days, with a website coordinating meet-ups across Catalonia.

"We were at home listening to the radio and we just decided to come here and join the protest," said 69-year-old Joan Ivern.
"We are here to defend our rights, the ones of the Catalans - and because the Spanish government doesn't allow us to exercise our rights here in Catalonia, all we want is a referendum - whether it is for a yes or for a no," he said.
"There is a call to demonstrate and to concentrate in certain areas," said Bartomeus, the academic. "I don't think you can call it a movement guided from above, but it's not a sudden impulsive action either."
He said it was due to a combination of factors, including the organisation of civil society groups Omnium Cultural and Audiencia Nacional de Catalunya (ANC), which have been the organisers of the massive annual 11 September demonstrations for the past five years.

On Friday, the Spanish public prosecutor accused the leaders of ANC and Omnium for treason, for having organised the demonstrations on Wednesday and Thursday.

'If they use violence, they will lose support'



ANC leader Jordi Sanchez sent out an emailed message on Wednesday to supporters in Barcelona: "The concentration by Gran Via at Rambla de Catalunya continues to grow. It will take many hours. It will be peaceful. We are well organised. Today we will win."
"They know that if they use violence, they will lose support," Bartomeus noted.
"A violent action by the authorities would mean more support for the independence movement, while the same would be true the other way around."
He said the separatist movement is already receiving some support from political parties and individuals because the arrests on Wednesday were a step too far for some.
"There is now support from non-separatists, who are against the Popular Party (PP) and their methods, and many of them see an agreed referendum as a solution to the crisis in Catalonia," Bartomeus said, referring to the party of Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy.

Around 75 percent of citizens in Catalonia are in favour of a referendum on independence.

The Spanish interior ministry informed the Catalan regional government on Friday that it would send more security forces to the region to support the local police.
"The functions will be to supervise public space and maintain order and they will act if the illegal referendum is held," the ministry said.


In the name of democracy



Both in Madrid and in Barcelona, the governments are defending their actions in the name of democracy.
"The two sides mask their final objective with beautiful words," political scientist Bartomeus said.
"But the reality is that, on one side, there is a separatist bloc that wants independence and needs to accumulate strength because it cannot achieve it on its own. And, on the other side, the Spanish government and the PP are in a situation of extraordinary weakness."
He said that the PP is facing an investigation over corruption cases "so big that in any other country in Europe, it would have made the president resign and would probably have destroyed the party."
As a consequence, he argued, the PP is using the conflict with Catalonia to stay in power.

Back on the streets, where independence activists are hanging up posters, the sound of tape being unrolled is heard in all directions.
A 50-year-old singer, Jordi Vallespir, is hanging up posters in different languages with the message "we vote to be free." He has a feeling that this time it will happen.

"We would love for Europe to help us, but we are very sceptical about whether Europe will come to our help. The past has shown too many times that they turn their face," he said, while referring to the Balkan war in the nineties and the current refugee crisis.
"But it's okay - we can do this," he adds.
"There is this romantic idea that Europe will help us - but no. Europe will do what is economically in their interest," said a fellow activist across the road, 50-year-old Marta Serra.
"We'll probably end up here on our own, but we're used to that anyway."



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Post by Gargantua on Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:28 pm

Ramon Tremosa‏Verified account @ramontremosa  3h3 hours ago
Ramon Tremosa Retweeted ElNacional .cat
Breaking: Spanish government makes another coup in Catalonia and takes control of the Catalan security forces @mossos. 

Spain=Turkey

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#ÚltimaHora | L'Estat intervé els Mossos d'Esquadra



Ramon Tremosa‏Verified account @ramontremosa 5m5 minutes ago
Ramon Tremosa Retweeted Joaquim Forn
Breaking: #Catalonia's Interior Minister: we won't accept the command of Mossos d'Esquadra @mossos taken over by Spain's Interior Ministry

Mososi su katalonska policija pod lokalnom kontrolom.

Ramon Tremosa je MEP ispred ALDE grupe, Katalonac i independista.




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Post by Kinder Lad on Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:35 pm

Sta, ovi Sardenjani se trude da Katalonija bas ni od koga u EU ne dobije podrsku?


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:00 pm

El Pais. Google translate. Komotno moze ga statement spanske vlade

https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/09/23/catalunya/1506161064_662386.html
Diego Pérez de los Cobos, Colonel of the Civil Guard and director of the Office of Coordination and Studies of the Secretary of State for Security , has been appointed by the Prosecutor's Office as "technical director" to coordinate the Mossos d'Esquadra, Police National and Civil Guard in the operatives to avoid the referendum of 1 October. At three o'clock in the afternoon, in an institutional statement, Interior Minister Joaquim Forn said that the Mossos do not accept the coordination of the government, and this was made clear at the meeting by Major Josep Lluis Trapero. Forn added that de facto they seek to intervene the Catalan police and have instructed their legal counsel to study the order of the prosecution. 

The superior prosecutor of Catalonia, Jose Maria Romero de Tejada, has communicated the decision to the commanders of all the police this afternoon in a meeting in which the Colonel of the armed Institute has already participated. Pérez de los Cobos is responsible for the deployment of the National Police and Civil Guard in Catalonia that has so far been translated with the dispatch of hundreds of agents to the autonomous community.

The prosecution supports its decision in Article 46 of the Law of Forces and Security Corps. In it, it is contemplated that when "in a concrete action concurrently members  or units of the Security Forces and Bodies of the State and of the Police of the Autonomous Community, it will be the Commanders of the first ones who assume the direction of the operation" . 
The order communicated this Saturday to the top officials of the National Police, Guardia Civil and Mossos specifies that the colonel may "convene and direct" the meetings of "planning and coordination" of the different devices, but will be obliged to report them to the prosecution. The colonel will also appoint members of his team who will perform identical functions at the provincial level with the police, Guardia Civil and Mossos in each of the territories.
Interior Ministry sources have denied that the prosecutor's decision involves removing the Catalan police authority, which is responsible for maintaining public order in the community, and justifies the measure by the need to improve coordination between different bodies . These sources insist that the Mossos will maintain their total autonomy in the rest of the functions that they play.
In the same vein, the Government delegate in Catalonia, Enric Millo, insisted from Palma de Mallorca that the Government "does not assume powers" of the Generalitat and that the prosecution order only involved the three police forces "under the direction of the Ministry of the Interior", informs Juanjo Mateo .
The decision comes after a week convulsed in which the prosecution has not concealed its discomfort by the actions of the Mossos, whom they accuse of not cooperating with the devices ordered by the judicial authorities deployed in recent days. The most notorious case was the entrance of the Civil Guard in the headquarters of the Department of Economy of the Generalitat, located in the Rambla de Catalunya of Barcelona.
There, where thousands of people gathered, three vehicles of the armed body were destroyed, and agents of the armed Institute remained besieged by the demonstrators inside the building about 24 hours. The head of the Court of Instruction 13 of Barcelona,  Juan Antonio Ramirez Sunyer, was forced to call the chief of the Mossos, Josep Lluis Trapero, to enable a security corridor by which civil guards could leave the place.
Romero de Tejada already anticipated his intentions a few days ago to the controls of the National Police, the Civil Guard, the Urban Guard and the Mossos d'Esquadra. At the meeting, the prosecutor expressed his complaint to the Major of the Mossos, Josep Lluís Trapero, because of the little involvement of the Catalan police to prevent 1-O.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:04 pm

Evo i traktora



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Post by beatakeshi on Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:07 pm

Katalunjci, đesvam balvani?
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Post by паће on Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:38 pm

Kinder Lad wrote:Sta, ovi Sardenjani se trude da Katalonija bas ni od koga u EU ne dobije podrsku?

Кад сам оно читао о Каталуњи, њих има доста и на Сардинији. Тигрова кожа европска.


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Kataloniji u čast - mogući referendoom

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Hehehe, zastava od horizontalne signalizacije.
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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:43 am



Utakmica Girona - Barcelona, oba tima iz Katalonije, Carles Puigdemont bio na tekmi.


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:44 am

ne znam kako da okačim samo video sa twittera


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:54 am

mislim nikako...


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Post by Kondo on Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:57 am

ostap bender wrote:ljosa uporno na strani frankizma.

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Post by Kondo on Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:59 am

next step: sergio ramos dolazi da zatvori FCB...


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Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:12 am

Ovakav 1 tekst, i to u 1 Guardianu. U stvari, kao što sam i mislio...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/23/anger-madrid-catalans-independence-vote


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Post by Gargantua on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:24 am

Hubert de Montmirail wrote:
Utakmica Girona - Barcelona, oba tima iz Katalonije, Carles Puigdemont bio na tekmi.

"novi derbi" 

Šta će Espanjol da radi, videh pre neki dan da su valjda imali neko saopštenje ali bilo samo na španskom i ne stigoh da guglprevedem
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Post by Kinder Lad on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:30 am

Inače, ovaj topić, tj tema, imaju neke forumske notable absentees ako smem da primetim 


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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:31 am

Napraviće Baski i Katalonci Pirinejsku ligu.

A Espanjol se možda preseli u Madrid. Ako su mogli AEK i PAOK, što ne bi i oni...


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