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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Tue May 15, 2018 9:42 pm



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1) Five Star and the League expect the @ecb to forgive 250 billion euros in Italian bonds bought via quantitative easing, in order to bring down Italy's debt

2) The two parties want to re-open European Treaties and to "radically reform" the stability and growth pact. The coalition would also want to reconsider Italy's contribution to the EU budget.

3) According to @HuffPostItalia, the 5 Star/League draft agreement would include an opt-out mechanism to leave the euro in an "agreed manner" were there to be a "clear popular will" to do so.

4) The draft document says Italy should stay in Nato, but asks for an immediate withdrawal of sanctions vs Russia, so that Moscow can return to be a "strategic partner" in conflict zones

5) The draft agreement would see the Italian government spend 17 billion euros a year on a "citizens' income". The European Commission would contribute spending 20% of the European Social Fund

6) According to @HuffPostItalia, the 5 Star/League draft document says there would be a "flat tax"... but with several tax rates and deductions

7) Italy's pension reform would be dismantled: workers would be able to retire when the sum of their retirement age and years of contribution is at least 100.

8) The draft coalition agreement of a 5 Star/Lega government leaked to @HuffPostItalia calls for a revision of the Dublin regulation on immigration and for compulsory relocation of asylum seekers across the EU

+++ The 5 Star Movement and the League have just issued a joint statement saying that this is an "old" version of the coalition agreement, which has been abundantly revised, for example making it clear that Italy would stay in the euro (h/t @adealdis @ARoldering)


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Re: EU - what's next?

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Tue May 15, 2018 10:09 pm

Šta reći, koju posluku porati...


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by KinderLad on Tue May 15, 2018 10:12 pm

Pitati dal hoće Istru, Provansu ili Dodekanez, ne vidim šta je drugo ostalo da traže. Možda liniju razgraničenja sa nemačkom zonom uticaja?
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Tue May 15, 2018 11:29 pm

Podržao bih ih u tome. Dalmaciju im naravno treba svu dati, sa albansko-hrvatskim čedom zvanim Crna Gora. Nek ide život.
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Post by Filipenko on Wed May 16, 2018 12:21 am

Taman nama južna Raška koju je Crna Gora okupirala, i malo podesimo granicu RS i to je to.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Wed May 16, 2018 9:10 am

Ja uvek volim da sam okružen sitnom boranijom (kao sad) nego tim nekim carstvima za koje se umišlja da smo u perspektivi dobri s njima.


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Wed May 16, 2018 1:58 pm

Ja vise volim da mi je Vatikan u dometu artiljerije i raketa.

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Wed May 16, 2018 6:36 pm

ITALY'S 5-STAR, LEAGUE HAVE COMPLETED JOINT POLICY PROGAMME, PASSED DOCUMENT TO LEADERS FOR APPROVAL - LEAGUE ECONOMICS CHIEF
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Post by Gargantua on Thu May 17, 2018 6:26 pm

Macron pours cold water on Balkan EU membership hopes

At summit with regional leaders, French president says thoughts of enlargement have ‘weakened Europe.’


SOFIA — French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday sounded a skeptical note on enlarging the European Union to include countries from the western Balkans — at a summit meant to strengthen ties between the region and the EU.

Macron’s comments come as a particular disappointment to Albania and Macedonia, which are hoping for the green light from EU leaders next month to begin talks to join the bloc, having received the thumbs-up from the European Commission in April.

“What we’ve seen over the past 15 years is a path that has weakened Europe every time we think of enlarging it. And I don’t think we do a service to the candidate countries or ourselves by having a mechanism that in a way no longer has rules and keeps moving toward more enlargement,” Macron told reporters at the summit in the Bulgarian capital Sofia.

“I am in favor of anchoring the Balkans in Europe and moving toward Europe. But I think we need to look at any new enlargement with a lot of prudence and rigor,” Macron said.

“I am not in favor of moving toward enlargement before having all the necessary certainty and before having made a real reform to allow a deepening and better functioning of the European Union.”
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https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-pours-cold-water-balkans-eu-membership-enlargement/


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Thu May 17, 2018 7:31 pm

Ono kad se la merde posere po tebi
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by KinderLad on Thu May 17, 2018 7:31 pm

Ovaj format WB6 vise ne radi u nasu korist. Ni u crnogorsku.

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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Gargantua on Thu May 17, 2018 7:40 pm

Ove godine je zadnji "Berlinski proces" (u UK) u tom formatu. Mogu i da ga produže, no frx, ali pridruživanje ide na principu regate tj svako za sebe, ZB6 je samo način da se svi vide zajedno s vremena na vreme. Strategija proširenja je jasno razdvojila Srbiju i CG kao zvanične kandidate od ostalih.


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Post by KinderLad on Thu May 17, 2018 7:45 pm

Gargantua wrote:Ove godine je zadnji "Berlinski proces" (u UK) u tom formatu. Mogu i da ga produže, no frx, ali pridruživanje ide na principu regate tj svako za sebe, ZB6 je samo način da se svi vide zajedno s vremena na vreme. Strategija proširenja je jasno razdvojila Srbiju i CG kao zvanične kandidate od ostalih.

Prosto CG i SRB treba da rade na tome da se jasnije odvezu od ovih ostalih u pristupnim pregovorima, kao i u prosto percepciji. CG ima vec 26 otvorenih poglavlja, mi cemo zapravo pravu poruku nama videti na leto i koliko ce nama jos biti otvoreno, mada nisam veliki optimista, al ajd da vidimo.
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Post by Gargantua on Fri May 18, 2018 10:23 am

Balkan states’ drive to join the EU faces hurdles
Michael Peel in Brussels and Neil Buckley in London May 16, 2018


The European Commission’s drive to bring six western Balkan states into the EU faces resistance from influential members seeking more action to tackle crime, institutional reform and bilateral disputes.

France, the Netherlands and Germany are among EU states wanting to impose tougher demands before agreeing to Brussels’ proposal to open accession talks with Albania and Macedonia.

Their concerns have emerged ahead of an EU-western Balkans summit in Sofia on Thursday aimed at improving relations. EU leaders will be asked to decide next month on whether to start accession talks as the commission has recommended.

One sceptical EU member state diplomat said talks on joining seemed “premature”, given that reforms to improve graft and tackle governance had further to go. Another said the commission appeared to be “running a bit ahead of the music” on enlargement and risked stoking Eurosceptic scaremongering about crime and immigration ahead of European elections next year.

“We have got concerns pretty much across the board when it comes to the rule of law, corruption and state capture,” he said of Albania and Macedonia. “That carrot [of membership] is still there. But they have to do the work.”

A third diplomat said: “Progress has been good, but there are criminal networks still operating. If you are working in an interior ministry in an EU member state, this will make you shiver.

The reservations highlight a dilemma for the EU, which sees the five states of the former Yugoslavia, along with Albania, as essential to its security, management of migration and geopolitical tussle with Russia. Some states, particularly newer EU members, strongly support further enlargement.

The commission wants the Sofia summit to help open a path to some of the six western Balkan countries to join the EU by an indicative — and ambitious — date of 2025. Montenegro has been in accession talks since 2012 and Serbia since 2014.

But Marko Kmezic, a senior researcher at the Centre for Southeast European Studies at the University of Graz, branded the summit a “good family photo opportunity” and said significant progress towards accession required “more time and honest engagement” by both sides.

“Instead of the region actually catching up with the EU in terms of democracy and economic convergence, we see [it] either stagnating over the past decade or even slowly bogging down,” Mr Kmezic said, pointing to rising authoritarianism in some western Balkan states. “We observe that the EU is actually more interested in other things — keeping stability in the region and preventing external influences, be it Russia, the Gulf [countries] or China.”

EU members largely accept the logic of having close ties to a region crucial to the bloc’s security. The shutdown of the western Balkans migration route eased Europe’s 2015-16 migration crisis while the area’s location as a gateway to surrounding EU countries has drawn interest from powers including China.

Enlargement would also show the EU’s vitality if the UK becomes the first country to leave the bloc, as it is scheduled to do next year.

But some EU members say they still need more evidence of the effectiveness of reforms touted by leaders such as Edi Rama, Albania’s prime minister, who says his country is rooting out corruption in the judiciary and tackling criminal networks.

European diplomats say France is a leading sceptic on Balkans enlargement. On the day the commission proposed starting accession talks with Albania and Macedonia, President Emmanuel Macron said the EU needed to reform its internal governance before adding members. Mr Rama met Mr Macron in Paris this week.

Balkan territorial disputes are another reason for EU wariness. Brussels has made settling these a strict condition of joining, after seeing the destabilising influence of the contested border between Slovenia and Croatia — the most recent entrant to the EU, in 2013.

Greece, an EU member, is technically still in second world war era hostilities with Albania. Athens also refuses to accept Macedonia’s right to use the name, also that of a Greek region. Both disagreements have moved closer to resolution and are EU priorities, with the prime ministers of Greece and Macedonia due to meet on the sidelines of the summit.

A further problem is that five EU members do not recognise Kosovo, largely because of concerns over how it seceded from Serbia. Among them is Spain, where the issue has become even more sensitive given Catalonia’s recent thwarted drive for independence. Mariano Rajoy, Spain’s prime minister, will not attend the summit.

It will be 15 years next month since EU members’ clear declaration that “the future of the Balkans is within the European Union”. Now the pre-summit letter to the bloc’s leaders from Donald Tusk, Europe Council president, talks only of a “European perspective” for the region — and argues the EU is the only partner that genuinely cares about its stability and will not treat it like a “geopolitical game of chess”.


https://www.ft.com/content/1df9d1e6-585c-11e8-bdb7-f6677d2e1ce8


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Post by KinderLad on Fri May 18, 2018 12:27 pm

keeping stability in the region and preventing external influences, be it Russia, the Gulf [countries] or China.” 

U slucaju Srbije (a time i RS) to je mission impossible. 

Ne postoji "Balkan Enlargment". Mozda CG, eeeeeventualno Srbija i to je to. Za sve ostalo, tu je MastercardNATO. 

Pisao sam ranije - pre (pre 10tak godina u stvari) kad sam imao mozda malo bolje kontakte u vidu sta pricaju nasim politicarima tokom sedenja u kafanama, apsolutno se moglo zakljuciti da albanske i polualbanse drzave bas niko ne zeli u EU. Ni ovi V4, Austrija, etc sto nas kao guraju. 

A to je zapravo, u ovom trenutku, jos jedan problem. Jer kako god bila slaba motivacija Srbije da resi Kosovo nekakvim kompromisom, albanska motivacija je tacno 0 (nula).
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Post by KinderLad on Fri May 18, 2018 12:29 pm

E da, Filipenko, mozes pristupiti radovima na onom spomeniku.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by паће on Fri May 18, 2018 1:22 pm

KinderLad wrote:
A to je zapravo, u ovom trenutku, jos jedan problem. Jer kako god bila slaba motivacija Srbije da resi Kosovo nekakvim kompromisom, albanska motivacija je tacno 0 (nula).

У време док је код нас била повика на албанску иреденту (они што перу зубе иредентом), питао сам се шта би било да се Косово припоји Албанији. Ко би коме био неразвијена покрајина у коју можеш сипати паре бесконачно?


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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Zuper on Fri May 18, 2018 1:52 pm

Five Star and League agree governing contract for Italy




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Post by Zuper on Fri May 18, 2018 2:22 pm

The fundamental tenet of German policy will be to protect the interests of industry in general, and of the car industry specifically.(ko je ono o tome pricao?) That clearly sets limits to the EU's ability to stand up to Donald Trump, and risks a major trade conflict.
Yesterday's EU summit in Sofia agreed a broad strategy of the neither-here-nor-there kind to deal with Trump. The leaders managed to agree that they will not enter into a trade talks if the US applies tariffs to steel and aluminium from June 1, when the current and final exemption expires.
The leaders also agreed the implausible strategy to prepare protection for European companies against secondary US sanctions to be slapped on EU companies dealing with Iran. But they gave no details on how this can be done. As FAZ recently pointed out, the only companies willing and able to resist US pressure will be European importers of Persian carpets. 
Jean-Claude Juncker even mentioned the possibility of invoking the blocking statute. This is the ultimate bluff. The statute would allow the EU to impose sanctions on European companies that comply with US sanctions. In other words, it would give EU companies a choice between pest and cholera. Needless to say, this has not been agreed. Nor will it be. It is a sign of the helplessness and panic of EU leaders that they even talk about it.
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Re: EU - what's next?

Post by Filipenko on Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 pm

KinderLad wrote:E da, Filipenko, mozes pristupiti radovima na onom spomeniku.


Kom tačno? Misliš na uklanjanje tzv. spomenika tzv. zahvalnosti tzv. Francuskoj?
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Post by KinderLad on Fri May 18, 2018 2:43 pm

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Post by Hubert de Montmirail on Fri May 18, 2018 3:15 pm

Zuper wrote:ITALY'S 5-STAR, LEAGUE HAVE COMPLETED JOINT POLICY PROGAMME, PASSED DOCUMENT TO LEADERS FOR APPROVAL - LEAGUE ECONOMICS CHIEF

Stvarno jedva čekam da vidim kako će ovo da ispadne.


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Post by KinderLad on Fri May 18, 2018 3:38 pm

Kmon, to je Italija

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