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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Blind Lime Pie on Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:16 pm

rešio čovek da deluje odlučno poput Erdogana. glupiranje za domaću upotrebu.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Gargantua on Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:18 pm

cedi medeni mesec sa eu
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Post by Blind Lime Pie on Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:18 pm

Osim što taj medeni mesec podrazumeva prećutnu saglasnost i razumevanje da više nikakvog proširivanja EU neće biti u narednim decenijama i u ovom obliku Unije.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:40 pm

Ni to niko ne moze da zna. Bukvalno ne postoji osoba koja znaili jedno ili drugo i sa sigurnoscu.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by паће on Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:52 pm

Kinder Lad wrote:Ni to niko ne moze da zna. Bukvalno ne postoji osoba koja znaili jedno ili drugo i sa sigurnoscu.

ЕУ може ладно у неком тренутку пред пропаст да одигра ва банк и прими све - и Молдавију и Украјину и Русију. Кад не буду видели шта би друго могли.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:03 pm

паће wrote:
Kinder Lad wrote:Ni to niko ne moze da zna. Bukvalno ne postoji osoba koja znaili jedno ili drugo i sa sigurnoscu.

ЕУ може ладно у неком тренутку пред пропаст да одигра ва банк и прими све - и Молдавију и Украјину и Русију. Кад не буду видели шта би друго могли.

Najprostije receno niko jos uvek ne moze da zna (ni oni sami) da li ce Macron i Merkel ostici ikakav dogovor i kakav. Ja recimo mislim da ce CG 100% biti primljena u EU. Tako da ako bi me neko pitao za savet Srbiji, bio bi - otvaraj, zatvaraj poglavlja, cuti i radi, glavinjaj pa da vidimo.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Zastava 120m on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:05 pm

Kinder Lad wrote:
паће wrote:

ЕУ може ладно у неком тренутку пред пропаст да одигра ва банк и прими све - и Молдавију и Украјину и Русију. Кад не буду видели шта би друго могли.

Najprostije receno niko jos uvek ne moze da zna (ni oni sami) da li ce Macron i Merkel ostici ikakav dogovor i kakav. Ja recimo mislim da ce CG 100% biti primljena u EU. Tako da ako bi me neko pitao za savet Srbiji, bio bi - otvaraj, zatvaraj poglavlja, cuti i radi, glavinjaj pa da vidimo.

Koje su naše šanse? I 50/50 trenutno deluje optimistično.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:07 pm

Zastava 120m wrote:
Kinder Lad wrote:

Najprostije receno niko jos uvek ne moze da zna (ni oni sami) da li ce Macron i Merkel ostici ikakav dogovor i kakav. Ja recimo mislim da ce CG 100% biti primljena u EU. Tako da ako bi me neko pitao za savet Srbiji, bio bi - otvaraj, zatvaraj poglavlja, cuti i radi, glavinjaj pa da vidimo.

Koje su naše šanse? I 50/50 trenutno deluje optimistično.

Stvarno ne bih znao za nas da kazem. Zavisi sta mi radimo i zavisi koju oni strategiju dogovore. Mozda je 80, mozda je 20. Zaista mislim da je malo verovatno da u ovom trenutku neko zaista 100% zna.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:28 pm

Onako, malo sire posmatrano, mozda je ovakav njegov nastup i posredan znak da je ideja o grupnom pristupu "Zapadnom Balkanu" (koji je Srbija podrzala i promovisala) pretrpela neuspeh. Mozda.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by ostap bender on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:31 pm

pa slicno je i fensi edi pitao samo je pri tome mahao i praznom puskom velike albanije. znaci mislim da postaje jasno i njima kakva je igra i pokusavaju da privuku paznju pravih donosioca odluka.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:34 pm

Srbija je definitivno upitna, medjutim, mozda gresim (kao sto rekoh niko ne moze 100% znati), ali imam utisak da za ALB i KS definitivno ne postoji politicka volja (pre svega u GER) da se u doglednoj buducnosti prime u EU. Licni utisak.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by ostap bender on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:38 pm

ma ne postoji volja ni glede bilo koga drugog. samo je pitanje da li ce inercija biti dovoljna da prodjemo kroz cilj ko flojd.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:48 pm

Inercija je prava rec. Da li ce biti dovoljna...ne znam. Ipak je to politicka odluka after all. Sto je u stvari i dobro, jer mi istinski one kriterijume nema sanse da ispunimo, pola Eu ih ne ispunjava sada.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kondo on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:04 pm

Photino Bird wrote:Osim što taj medeni mesec podrazumeva prećutnu saglasnost i razumevanje da više nikakvog proširivanja EU neće biti u narednim decenijama i u ovom obliku Unije.

meni to nije dovoljan razlog da se ne insistira na prijemu. cak i ovakva srbija izgleda bolje od vecine balkana, ukljucujuci tu i delove koji su EU. danasnja srbija nije bitno gora nego bugarska kada je usla u EU, nije gora od 80% grcke danas, beograd je paklena metropola za sve do soluna i beca a za konacne zakljucke predlazem da u solunu uzmete auto pa se provezete na sever. ne morate dalje od nisa. sve je jasno manje vise do vranja.

ne znam da li je za unutasnju upotrebu ali treba pozdraviti svaki napor da se u budalastu EU politiku spram prosirenja unese bilo kakva nova dinamika. ceo zapadni balkan mora da bude primljen angro u EU iz milion razloga. paradoksalno, tome velikoalbanska prica najvise ide na vodu. ocete VA? moze, evo u EU, izvolte, ali bez novih granica.

isto ne znam zasto bi insistiranje na necemu sto je, kako kazete, vidjeno  da je decenijski negativan ishod, nesto sto je za unutrasnju upotrebu. ja bi to nazvao autogolom.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Blind Lime Pie on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:11 pm

Meni se čini da je posredi namirivanje evroskeptika kod nas.
No, slažem se i i da treba insistirati na prijemu i raditi na poglavljima, jer su obe stvari zdrave za nas bez obzira da li će nas primiti ili ne.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by ostap bender on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:11 pm

pa to i rama zeli, no to se nece desiti.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:14 pm

Ma ne, ako je cilj uclanjenje u EU ovo je dobar potez. Vise po tom pitanju nema disonantnih tonova izmadju predsednika i vlade. Jedino sto mislim da ovakva kakva je danas Srbija ne moze u EU. Mora bar da se nasminka nekakva demokratija, recimo ovo sto je Milo uradio sa zadrzavanjem samo mesta sefa stranke. Drugo sto je dobro to je sto je otvoren prostor da ako se nekakva opozicija nekako sakupi moze slobodno da vodi potpuno proevropsku politiku, za to vise ne moze da bude napadana.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:15 pm

ostap bender wrote:pa to i rama zeli, no to se nece desiti.

Again, nije isto Albanija i Srbija, kao sto, trenutno, nije isto ni Srbija i Crna Gora.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by паће on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:16 pm

Kinder Lad wrote: Vise po tom pitanju nema disonantnih tonova izmadju predsednika i vlade.

А која су то остала питања где их има?


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Kinder Lad on Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:20 pm

паће wrote:
Kinder Lad wrote: Vise po tom pitanju nema disonantnih tonova izmadju predsednika i vlade.

А која су то остала питања где их има?

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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Gargantua on Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:33 pm

Za bolje razumevanje temelja odnosa sa EU strane

JCMS 2017 pp. 1–12 DOI: 10.1111

Europe as a Regional Actor: Waning Influence in an Unstable and Authoritarian Neighbourhood

KAROLINA POMORSKA and GERGANA NOUTCHEVA
Maastricht University


Two years ago, Ana Juncos and Richard Whitman asked whether the EU neighburhood as ‘lost’ and argued that Europe’s political and economic influence in its neighbourhood was marginal (Juncos and Whitman, 2015, p. 212). A couple of years later we confirm the trend of waning EU influence and maintain that the EU has been reactive in its approach to the unfolding crises in the neighbourhood but unable to advance its strategic priorities through a more pro-active foreign policy. 2016 turned out to be yet another eventful year where we observed little positive progress in terms of moving towards democracy and stability.

While it is not unusual that a large part of the foreign policy agenda is set by current events and crises, the need for a strategic approach had been recognized by policy-makers in Brussels. On the basis of a mandate from the member states, the High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP), Federica Mogherini, was tasked to introduce a more forward-looking method of foreign policy-making in the process of rethinking the European Global Strategy. Almost at the same time, the European Commission engaged in a major exercise of reviewing the European Neighbourhood Policy (European Commission, 2015a). As a result, on both occasions, the European institutions marked a departure from the ‘period of optimism for the EU’ (Hahn, 2016, p. 1) when the EU policy was loaded with normative goals and proclaimed a turn towards ‘pragmatic idealism’ (European Union, 2016) entailing a more interest-driven agenda with an explicit focus on security.
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What we observe in the neighbourhood in 2016 is a Union responsive to manifold crises that have activated the security concerns of the member states in the short run and crowded out the space for pro-active policies advancing the EU’s long-term normative goals in the neighbouring countries. We also witness manifestations of the long-standing divergence on normative and security questions among the member states that have at times pushed a policy line at the EU level that is suboptimal from both a normative and a security perspective. We also discern the foreign policy consequences of a normatively weakened EU from within, with internal challenges to its democratic integrity undermining its external democracy support agenda.


I. The Authoritarian Turn in the EU’s Wider Neighbourhood
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In the Western Balkans, the erosion of the democratic advances of the early 2000s has been ongoing for about a decade and all major democracy indices show that the region is now at the same level of democratic achievement that it was in the mid-2000s (Freedom House, 2017; see also Figure 1). The scale of democratic backsliding may even be greater than suggested considering the informal power structures, patronage and nepotism characterizing the Balkan polities (BiEPAG, 2017).
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II. Responding to Authoritarianism in the European Neighbourhood the tone for the EU’s response to the multiple challenges in the European neighbourhood was set in the European Neighbourhood Policy review published in November 2015 (ENP Review, 2015). In this document, the EU defined stabilization of the neighbourhood as its overarching goal, retreating from its previously lofty democracy rhetoric. The democracy and good governance agenda has been toned down at the expense of a heightened interest in developing security co-operation and partnerships with all neighbours. This notable change in the ENP narrative was a precursor of the pragmatic turn in EU foreign policy confirmed with the release of the Global Security Strategy in 2016 (European Union, 2016). In theory, the enlargement countries continue to be subject to EU’s democracy conditionality but in practice, the EU’s paramount interest in stability has trumped the EU’s actual support for democracy even in the accession context (BiEPAG, 2017). The EU’s explicit stance on prioritizing stability over democracy thus rhetorically acknowledged a long-time foreign policy practice.

This officially announced choice coincided with a period of waning normative appeal of the EU owing to deteriorating democracy standards in some of its own member states. In 2016, the EU’s democratic reputation continued to be severely tarnished by democratic backsliding in Hungary and Poland and the perceived inability of the EU to decisively intervene and reverse the negative trend in its own house. Throughout 2016, Poland has been receiving very heavy criticism from the Council of Europe’s Venice Commission and the European Commission for failing to publish the judgments of the Constitutional Tribunal and for undermining the status and operations of this core state institution (European Commission, 2016b). However, this naming and shaming has not had much effect to date. While the Commission continued sending recommendations to the Polish government, it fell short of activating Article 7 TEU, which states that the violation of the EU’s basic values may be punished with sanctions. Hungary’s backsliding on democratic governance predates that of Poland when the European Commission’s ‘Rule of Law Framework’, currently applied to Poland, did not exist. Nevertheless, the reforms undertaken by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán remain a serious matter of concern for his European partners, yet no serious sanctioning has taken place so far.4



This muted response has projected an image of weakness with regard to both the EU’s capacity to inspire by being an example and its capacity to act convincingly in support of democracy when faced with serious breaches of democratic principles. As a result, the EU’s democratic legitimacy abroad has suffered and nowhere is this felt more strongly than in the Western Balkans where the prospect of future EU membership has not proved a strong anchor for genuine democratic reforms so far. The ruling political elites in the region are not interested in losing power for the sake of long-term benefits that a future EU membership might eventually bring. And the Balkan societies are disappointed with a weak EU that fails to discipline their ruling elites through exposing and sanctioning illiberal practices. A 2016 public opinion survey across the countries from the region shows that only in Albania and Kosovo does an overwhelming majority (over 80 per cent) view EU membership as a positive thing (Balkan Barometer, 2016). Public perceptions of the EU are particularly worrying in Serbia and in Bosnia and Herzegovina where the EU is seen positively by only a minority (21 per cent and 33 per cent, respectively) (Balkan Barometer, 2016).
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Migration concerns also acted against a strong EU role in support for democracy in the Western Balkans. The co-operation of the Western Balkan countries in closing down the so-called Balkan migrant route proved more valuable to some EU member states than democracy in the region and ultimately prevented the EU from openly criticizing and taking action against the democratic breaches in the region. The Western Balkans came to the forefront of the international migration crisis in 2015 when the flow of people seeking refuge in the EU from war and political prosecution in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan reached record numbers. In particular, Serbia and Macedonia stood on the migrants’ route to Hungary and western Europe and saw their territories flooded by transiting foreigners demanding help. While the EU struggled to come up with a unified approach, Hungary and Austria defied Germany’s ‘open door’ policy and pushed the closing down of the Balkan route by unilaterally shutting their frontiers to asylum seekers stranded in Greece and wishing to reach Germany (Bechev, 2016b). The EU officially declared the Western Balkans migrant route closed in March 2016 as a result of which the illegal border crossings on the route dropped to 122,779 in 2016 from the record 764,038 in 2015.7

Balkan strongmen thus became indispensable partners in managing the EU’s refugee crisis while deteriorating local media freedom and judicial independence and worrying signals of state capture met no serious opposition either internally or externally. Balkan governments happily accepted the role of gatekeepers of Europe as it gave them leverage over Brussels and spared them criticism on domestic issues (Bechev, 2016b).

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Did the EU’s efforts to promote democracy and provide security in its neighbourhood make any difference in 2016? What is most characteristic of the EU’s approach to the neighbourhood is its reactive mode where various crises have been driving the foreign policy agenda with little scope for positive initiatives intended to advance the EU’s long-term goals. The necessity to come up with crisis responses in the short term has brought to the surface the EU’s paramount security interests in the neighbourhood, above all the need to pacify and stabilize the territories along its external borders. Democracy promotion has been relegated to a secondary status in terms of priorities and this has resulted in a weak response to the worsening political governance standards in the countries around the EU. The EU’s internal problems with democratic governance have further undermined its normative appeal in the eyes of its neighbours and its power to attract others by presenting a political model worthy of emulation.

While the question asked before was whether Europeans cared more about stability or democracy, they may well be waking up to the thought of being surrounded by both instability and autocracy.
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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by Filipenko on Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:26 am

Ja uopšte ne vidim eroziju demokratskih napredovanja, naprotiv. Demokratija funkcioniše sve bolje, na vlast dolaze ljudi koji em imaju većinu u narodu em su velike pristalice Evropske Unije i evropskih vrednosti. Izuzetak je možda Dodik.
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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by William Murderface on Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 pm

Vucic upravo hvali Lazara (29). Kaze, mlogo pametan decko, sve bio u pravu.


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Post by William Murderface on Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Kaze, razume decu vlasnika "Mone" kad se zale na povecanje minimalca.


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Re: 24 sata Vučić

Post by diktotar on Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:43 pm

morace siroti samo pet umesto osam puta na sejsele ove godine.


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