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Post by Gargantua on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:27 pm

Macron's Foreign Ministry tweeted a debunk video Friday which both refutes and ridicules Trump’s reasoning for withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord, the latest escalation in the unique social media diplomacy taking place between the two leaders.


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Post by No Country on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:39 pm

But postmortems offering rational explanations for how a pussy-grabbing goblin managed to gain the White House over an experienced woman have mostly glossed over one of the well-worn dynamics in play: A competent woman losing a job to an incompetent man is not an anomalous Election Day surprise; it is Tuesday in America.



A very long article, and with a very old point to make.

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Post by MNE on Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:19 pm

Gargantua wrote:Macron's Foreign Ministry tweeted a debunk video Friday which both refutes and ridicules Trump’s reasoning for withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord, the latest escalation in the unique social media diplomacy taking place between the two leaders.


The White House ✔ @WhiteHouse
The Paris Accord is a bad deal for Americans, and @POTUS' action today is keeping his promise to put American workers first.
10:36 PM - 1 Jun 2017
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/870378430398816257

https://twitter.com/francediplo_EN/status/870699642509512704

We’ve seen the @WhiteHouse video about the #ParisAccord. We disagree – so we’ve changed it. #MakeThePlanetGreatAgain.

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Post by Gargantua on Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:15 pm



In Praise of a Transatlantic Divorce
Trump’s trip wasn’t a “home run,” but it’s not bad for Europe to start taking more responsibility for itself.
By Stephen M. Walt
May 30, 2017

The foreign-policy establishment is in a dither this week over Donald Trump’s recent truculent, bumbling, and boorish conduct in Europe. Their concerns hit a new high when German Chancellor Angela Merkel gave a speech back home declaring “the times in which we could rely fully on others” are “somewhat over” and suggesting Europe “really take our fate into our own hands.”

The reaction back in the United States was swift and bordered on hysterical. The Atlantic’s David Frum declared Trump’s trip a “catastrophe,” and Joe Scarborough said it had done more damage than any presidential meeting since Nikita Khrushchev bullied John F. Kennedy at their meeting in Vienna in 1961. Richard Haass at the Council on Foreign Relations tweeted that Merkel’s reaction was a “watershed” that the United States had sought to avoid since World War II. Vali Nasr of Johns Hopkins University lamented that Trump had managed “in less than 3 months … to undo 7 decades of Transatlantic relations.” Needless to say, most of these commentators see this as a dramatic setback for the United States and a sign that the post-World War II order is headed for the dustbin of history.

I’m no fan of Trump, whom I regard as having become the worst president in U.S. history after only four short but frantic months in office. He remains, in my view, a genuine long-term threat to America’s constitutional order. But the establishment’s somewhat apocalyptic reaction to the Trump trip strikes me as over the top and places too much blame on Trump himself. No matter how undiplomatic his behavior may have been, pinning it all on Trump ignores the larger factors at work.

For starters, consider how it would have sounded had Merkel said the exact opposite in her speech. What if she had declared, “We learned at the recent meetings that we can have total confidence in the United States to protect us in any and all circumstances, and therefore we Europeans do not need to take responsibility for our own fate”? That would have been a ridiculous thing for a European leader to say, and it reminds us that Europe “taking its fate into its own hands” is not by itself a bad idea at all. It depends, of course, on how Europeans choose to do that.
In fact, it would be highly desirable if Europe did take more responsibility for its own security. The EU has a population of more than 500 million and a combined economy of roughly $16 trillion. By contrast, the supposedly fearsome Russia of Vladimir Putin has a population of 144 million and a GDP that is less than $2 trillion. NATO’s European members spend more than four times more than Russia does on defense every year, and Russia’s long-term prospects are gloomy as its population shrinks and ages and as oil and gas become less and less important in the global economy. Russia can cause trouble of various kinds in nearby areas, but there is no chance that it could expand significantly (or effectively rule any territories it seized).

As I’ve noted before, the problem is not the amount of money that European countries devote to defense; the real problem is the way they spend it. A serious European effort to rationalize and streamline its defense preparations would be a very good thing. And if that’s what Merkel is proposing, amen.

Second, Donald Trump is a symptom of the larger crisis that has been brewing for NATO ever since the Cold War ended. Alliances are first and foremost a collective response to threats, and NATO’s primary rationale disappeared when the Soviet Union collapsed. Attempts to give NATO important new missions “out of area” did not go well, whether one looks at Libya or Kosovo or Afghanistan, and some of America’s other initiatives — most notably the invasion of Iraq — did considerable damage to transatlantic solidarity as well.

With hindsight, German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and French President Jacques Chirac (and Putin!) were dead right to oppose the George W. Bush administration’s foolhardy invasion, while British Prime Minister Tony Blair was dead wrong to embrace it. After all, toppling Saddam Hussein made Iraq a focal point and recruiting zone for jihadi terrorism (something it had not been under Baathist rule) and eventually led to the emergence of the Islamic State. In a very real way, therefore, the war in Iraq made Europe less secure. It is more than a little ironic that the neoconservatives who conceived and sold the war in Iraq (and neither acknowledged nor atoned for their own errors), and who used to view America’s European allies with a certain contempt, are now among the loudest voices denouncing Trump and bemoaning the loss of transatlantic solidarity.

NATO also tried to sustain itself by expanding to the east, in hopes of creating an ever-growing “zone of peace.” It was a lovely and seductive idea, but as realists warned in the 1990s, the move ended up reducing European security by poisoning relations with Russia and eventually provoking an all-too-typical great-power reaction. Just as the United States has jealously protected its sphere of influence in the Western Hemisphere (and illegally interfered in other countries to do it), Russia lashed out to protect its own interests in the areas near its borders. The result has been greater European insecurity and new strains for an already troubled alliance.

Despite these centrifugal forces, NATO has persisted because Europeans liked having American protection and because U.S. leaders (and most of the foreign-policy establishment) liked running the show. But the underlying glue holding the alliance together was growing steadily weaker and especially as the United States got further bogged down in the Middle East (thanks, neocons!) and began shifting attention to Asia to address the more serious challenge of a rising China. Because there was no longer any danger of a European hegemon — the concern that inspired U.S. intervention in Europe in World War I, World War II, and throughout the Cold War — the U.S. commitment was becoming more fragile long before Trump became president.

Does that mean Trump’s recent trip was, as he proclaimed, a “home run”? Hardly. Instead of sowing doubt and rancor, Trump missed an opportunity to move transatlantic relations in a constructive direction. Instead of lecturing America’s allies on meeting an arbitrary defense spending target of 2 percent of GDP, he should have given his blessing for a sustained, long-term effort to harmonize defense efforts and create a genuine European defense force. He should have reaffirmed the U.S. commitment to Article V, making it clear that he was going to gradually reduce the U.S. military role as European capabilities ramped up while at the same time negotiating to preserve U.S. access to key facilities in Europe under certain circumstances. He should have proposed that NATO’s next supreme commander be European and reaffirmed the need for close intelligence coordination on terrorism and other common threats. He could have candidly acknowledged the areas where he is still learning the ropes, an appealing posture that would have won him plaudits from all. And he should have demonstrated his intelligence and sophisticated knowledge by publicly reaffirming the U.S. commitment to the Paris climate accord, instead of reaffirming doubts that he even understands the seriousness of this issue.

To do any of these things would have required a competent foreign-policy team in the White House and a president who understood the evolving strategic environment and America’s place within the global balance of power. Unfortunately, it is increasingly clear that the United States has neither at present.

And that’s why Trump’s trip was a serious disappointment, if not quite the end of the world his critics depict. So don’t panic — yet.
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Post by No Country on Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:25 pm

Добро написано, али мени се сад паничи мало више него пре пет минута, пре него што ово прочитах...
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Post by Gargantua on Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:53 pm

to zbog ovog "yet"
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Post by Filipenko on Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Zašto autor kroz tekst postavlja evropske vojske i Nato kontra Rusije i kalkuliše/komparira moć i BDP? Ja sam mislio da se oni jačaju zbog Irana i globalnog terorizma. 
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Post by Gargantua on Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:27 pm

dobar naslov

http://www.bradford-delong.com/2017/06/monday-smackdown-donald-trump-as-a-reichstag-in-search-of-a-fire.html

Monday Smackdown: Donald Trump as a Reichstag in Search of a Fire




Live from the Orange-Haired Baboon Cage: Betty Cracker: _Reichstag in search of a fire?: "Trump himself has settled into a pattern of undermining his own team... confirming that he’s an incompetent boob.... Today was no exception... https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/06/05/reichstag-in-search-of-a-fire/


...Trump flacks have spent weeks trying to tamp down the “ban” talk since characterizing the Muslim ban as a “Muslim ban” is a loser in court. Their boss just made liars of them.... Trump further undermined his own people by dissociating himself from the “politically correct” document he signed. And he’s undercut his pending SCOTUS case by saying the courts are compromised and hinting that it would be better if his decrees could be enacted immediately as if he were Vladimir Putin, a Saudi prince or a Turkish or Filipino strongman. All in the space of about seven minutes.
Meanwhile, my Twitter feed tells me Kellyanne Conway is on TV this morning admonishing journalists for covering Trump’s tweets and basically implying that the so-called president doesn’t speak for his own administration.... Welcome to Crazytown, folks...
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Post by No Country on Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:31 pm

Filipenko wrote:Zašto autor kroz tekst postavlja evropske vojske i Nato kontra Rusije i kalkuliše/komparira moć i BDP? Ja sam mislio da se oni jačaju zbog Irana i globalnog terorizma. 
Па теза му је да је НАТО локални а не глобални војни савез, т.ј. чита како је написано. Наравно, могуће је дискутовати. Могуће је да су НАТО проблеми добрим делом произашли из тога што они (т.ј. неки међу њима) хоће да буду и једно и друго.
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Post by beatakeshi on Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:10 pm

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Post by Filipenko on Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 pm

beatakeshi wrote:Orange-Haired Baboon Cage





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Post by plachkica on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:00 pm

Sad, so sad...

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Post by William Murderface on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:09 pm

Što bi reko uskok, totalitarizam.


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Post by No Country on Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:25 pm

Totally unfiltered.

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Post by MNE on Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:19 pm

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Post by Zuper on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:40 pm

Trump pitched Republican leaders on a solar-paneled border wall




Trump said his vision was a wall 40 feet to 50 feet high and covered with solar panels so they'd be "beautiful structures," the people said. The President said that most walls you hear about are 14 feet or 15 feet tall but this would be nothing like those walls. Trump told the lawmakers they could talk about the solar-paneled wall as long as they said it was his idea. One person cautioned that the President wasn't presenting the solar-paneled wall as the definite solution.
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Post by паће on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:42 pm

Ал' сунце сија са мексичке стране... шта ако Мексиканци направе свој, још виши, да им праве ладовину?


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Post by MNE on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:44 pm

ništa bez kvalitetne literature 

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Post by Zuper on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:45 pm

Bice paneli do neba da snadbeva celi svet.
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Post by William Murderface on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:51 pm

Zuper wrote:

Trump pitched Republican leaders on a solar-paneled border wall






Trump said his vision was a wall 40 feet to 50 feet high and covered with solar panels so they'd be "beautiful structures," the people said. The President said that most walls you hear about are 14 feet or 15 feet tall but this would be nothing like those walls. Trump told the lawmakers they could talk about the solar-paneled wall as long as they said it was his idea. One person cautioned that the President wasn't presenting the solar-paneled wall as the definite solution.
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Post by William Murderface on Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:57 pm

Zuper wrote:

Trump pitched Republican leaders on a solar-paneled border wall








Trump said his vision was a wall 40 feet to 50 feet high and covered with solar panels so they'd be "beautiful structures," the people said. The President said that most walls you hear about are 14 feet or 15 feet tall but this would be nothing like those walls. Trump told the lawmakers they could talk about the solar-paneled wall as long as they said it was his idea. One person cautioned that the President wasn't presenting the solar-paneled wall as the definite solution.
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Post by ostap bender on Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:27 pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/james-comey-senate-testimony/529533/


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Post by MNE on Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:29 pm

eto materijala Trampu za tvitovanje idućih par mjeseci   ugasiće mu net u WH

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Post by Zuper on Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:45 pm

Ma jok, ovo svedocenje je kontrolisano. Doticni se prvo konsultovao sa pravnim strucnjacima jer i njega moze da kosta svedocenje. Prakticno je izbaceno sta ce da prica i tu nema nista epohalno, ako se bude toga drzao.
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Post by ostap bender on Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:01 am

pa cuj trazio je predcednik od njega da se prekine istraga. prilicno to moze da ode u efe, sve i da je dogovoreno.


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