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Post by Utvara on Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:53 pm

Jeste.
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Post by disident on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:07 pm

I posle ti ne veruj svemu sto procitas na 4chanu


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Post by beatakeshi on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:11 pm

Daj sliku, razveseli Filipa!
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Post by beatakeshi on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:13 pm

Izveštaj kao iz Radovana III: "... a seljaci se bodu noževima..."
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Post by паће on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:16 pm

beatakeshi wrote:Izveštaj kao iz Radovana III: "... a seljaci se bodu noževima..."

Зајеби новотарије. Сикирче, бато.


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Post by Gargantua on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:31 pm

beatakeshi wrote:Izveštaj kao iz Radovana III: "... a seljaci se bodu noževima..."

Počeo sam post citirajući Rumenkinu opasku o zavičaju pa obrisah.
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Post by KinderLad on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:41 pm

Jedino su zaboravili da ubod tupim nožem pravi još veću štetu 
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Post by beatakeshi on Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:56 pm

Dok dođu do zarđale kašike...
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Post by Utvara on Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:34 pm

Ne radi ovo embedovanje kako treba.
https://twitter.com/andy111179/status/1002449225773387781

Ovo je bilo pre par dana, Zapadni Krojdon. Da mi neko dođe i da mi lupa po staklu automobila sa ovom nožekanjom, da se hvata za ručice vrata, usr'o bi se iz mesta.

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Post by Filipenko on Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:57 am

Jeremy Corbyn preaches Jeremiad against Trump, May and Britain
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Post by William Murderface on Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:05 am

How the Guardian Changed Tack on Corbyn, Despite Its Readers


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Post by William Murderface on Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:27 am

Readers could sense this bias not only in polemical columns. It stretched across the dividing line between opinion and news and was glimpsed in the headlines chosen by sub-editors and in the framing of reports. Elliott agreed that one example had gone too far: a 28 July item headlined “Jeremy Corbyn warns ‘naughty people’ to leave Labour party alone” had “held him up to ridicule.” But consider these other news headlines: “Jeremy Corbyn caught looking gloomy on night bus”; “Jeremy Corbyn suggests he would bring back Labour’s nationalising clause IV” (in which the first line of the story read “Jeremy Corbyn has denied that he would reinstate clause IV…”); “View from Nuneaton on Corbyn: ‘I can’t imagine that he will go down well around here.’”


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Post by William Murderface on Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:42 am

What readers did not yet know was just how deep were the roots of Jones’ distress. A few days later, in an extraordinary essay that ranged across history, philosophy and ethics with the unhesitating confidence of the non-specialist, Jones revealed the traumatic personal story behind his decision to take on the Corbyn menace. It all began in Cambridge in the late 1980s – in Sainsburys, to be precise. It was there that Jones, a student at the university, was recruited into the Communist party of Great Britain. Before he knew it, he was in Soviet Russia, confronted by the “actual existing, concrete and cardboard reality [of] one of the most inhuman and murderous follies ever dreamed up in the fevered minds of zealous thinkers.” He ate “soup swimming with sausage fat in the decaying hostel of the Komsomol.” He “queued for gruel ladled out from huge tubs at Moscow airport.” This was “pure socialism,” and it left a very bad taste. (One concerned reader was prompted to write to the Guardian: “I know that art critics are famous for their heightened sensitivity and Jonathan Jones writes movingly of his bad soup moment in 1980s Russia…”)
“I am not calling Corbyn a Marxist,” Jones continued, after telling how 6m Russians were murdered by Stalin. “But Marxist ideas live again in some spectral form in Corbyn’s runaway campaign.” For a man who had seen the brutal culinary reality of Stalinism, electing Corbyn looked like the first step on the road to totalitarianism. “You – we – have to face up to what was done,” he wrote, before revealing why he was no longer a socialist: “Markets are human.” Surprising as this finding seemed, “to believe otherwise is to indulge in the same folly that killed the hapless peasants who Stalin labelled capitalist ‘kulaks’ and saw fit to starve and shoot.” Vote Corbyn, get liquidated. Jones drew his essay to a close on a portentous scene: “In Russia I came across [the magazine] Marxism Today in a news kiosk in Volgograd – that is, Stalingrad. And beside the vast silver emptiness of the Volga, the kulaks were nowhere to be found.” It was not clear what he meant.


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Post by KinderLad on Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:21 am

Guardian se cita sa filterom preko, to je jasno. Taj filter nije isti sa kojim se cita recimo Financial Times, i njegova karakteristika (filtera tj.) je da je malo komplikovaniji za "podesavanje" zato sto uglavnom to rade na pametan nacin, ali povremeni zestoki ispadi pomazu da se taj filter mnogo bolje nacentrira. Oni uvek mogu da se brane da kad su bili izbori preporucili su citaocima da glasaju za Labour, kao i da Torijevce deru svaki dan ceo dan, kao i da su to samo "stavovi autora koji nisu nuzno stavovi redakcije", ali...

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Post by Zuper on Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:07 pm

Koliko treba tih filtera kada citas to britansko smece? Od bbc, rojtera do gardijana i telegrafa...barem jedno 10 filtera za 10 razlicitih tema.
Propagandno smece, to im je jedino ostalo...
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Post by Gargantua on Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:39 pm

In a notice this week the European Commission has advised continental European businesses to think twice before using parts and components made in Britain.

It’s reported that European firms might need to look elsewhere for parts if they wish to continue benefiting from EU free trade agreements with other countries such as South Korea and Mexico.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/brexit-eu-advice-uk-components-economy-impact-explained-customs-union-tariffs-free-trade-a8385951.html
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Post by Gargantua on Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:20 am

Let Trump Handle Brexit: An Explosive Leaked Recording Reveals Boris Johnson’s Private Views About Britain’s Foreign Policy

“I am increasingly admiring of Donald Trump. I have become more and more convinced that there is method in his madness.”

Posted on Jun 7, 2018, 6:40:52 PM GMT
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Theresa May will use the G7 summit in Canada to propose a new international “rapid response unit” to deal with Russian cyberattacks and assassinations, foreign secretary Boris Johnson divulged to a select group of Conservative activists at a private dinner on Wednesday night.

BuzzFeed News has obtained an audio recording of a closed-door gathering at the Institute of Directors in London, where Johnson treated about 20 Tories to an extraordinarily unguarded and wide-ranging assessment of the UK’s foreign policy strategy – and his private thoughts about Brexit, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.

In a conversation that lasted for more than an hour, Johnson revealed to members of Conservative Way Forward – a Thatcherite campaign group – that he’d spoken earlier that day to Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state, about the situation in North Korea. The Americans want Britain to “use our nuclear expertise to dismantle Kim Jong-Un’s nuclear missile,” Johnson divulged. “That’s what he asked me to do today.”

Johnson praised Donald Trump, warned that China will “try and stiff us”, and said Putin was embarrassed that Russia’s economy is now smaller than that of Australia.

Speaking about Brexit, Johnson gave a remarkably candid rundown of the arguments that have bitterly divided May’s cabinet.

At the time the dinner took place, the rest of Westminster was gripped by speculation about the future of another disgruntled Brexiteer, David Davis, but Johnson revealed to the activists that he, too, is gravely worried about the direction of the talks.

Johnson insisted he won’t compromise on the final terms of Britain’s future economic relationship, but said the Brexiteers were at risk of getting a deal far worse than they’d hoped for. The government is so terrified of short-term economic disruption that it’s at risk of throwing away the opportunities presented by Brexit. He ridiculed the concerns about disruption at the borders as “pure millennium bug stuff” and said it’s “beyond belief” that the Northern Ireland border has become an obstacle in the negotiations.

Johnson was the keynote speaker at Conservative Way Forward's summer reception at the Institute of Directors on Wednesday night. Other Conservative MPs in attendance included Conor Burns and Priti Patel, the former international development secretary.

At about 8.30pm, a select group of around 20 people went to a private room for a dinner. Over more than an hour, the Foreign Secretary took questions from the activists and gave a characteristically ebullient and loose-lipped assessment of the most pressing policy and political matters facing the UK government. Burns was also at the private dinner.

Asked about Donald Trump, Johnson was positive about the US President and even joked that he wouldn’t mind having him lead the Brexit negotiations.

“I am increasingly admiring of Donald Trump,” Johnson said. “I have become more and more convinced that there is method in his madness.”

“Imagine Trump doing Brexit,” Johnson said. “He’d go in bloody hard… There’d be all sorts of breakdowns, all sorts of chaos. Everyone would think he’d gone mad. But actually you might get somewhere. It’s a very, very good thought.”

Running through the threats and opportunities for Britain’s foreign policy, Johnson said he wanted a “much more energetic” approach to the UK’s diplomacy.

Asked about Russia, he said the UK was taking the lead on trying to combat Kremlin-directed hostility against other countries.

“[Vladimir] Putin feels a deep sense of shame that he’s leader of a country that has been so greatly reduced in its global importance,” Johnson said.

“When I was a kid, Russia really mattered. It’s now got an economy about the size of Australia. Yeah, they’ve they’ve got a lot of nuclear weapons, but it’s real importance in the world is greatly [diminished]. Putin’s a revanchist. He wants to cause trouble. He wants to upset people like us.”

The rest of the world has to be “very firm” in response, Johnson said.

He told the activists May would put forward a new plan at the G7 in Canada to deal with the Kremlin’s aggression.

“On Friday, Theresa May will be in Charlevoix in Canada for the G7,” the Foreign Secretary said. “She will be putting forward a British plan that will have global support to set up a rapid response unit to identify Russian malfeasance… whether it’s cyber warfare, assassinations, calling it out and identifying it.”

“One of the problems is Russia is so good at spreading violence,” he continued. “They’re brilliant at it. We need to identify it and call it out.”

Downing Street would not comment on the planned rapid response unit. A source from another G7 state confirmed that the proposal will be discussed at the summit, although it would not specifically mention Russia.

Asked whether China is an ally or a threat, Johnson said: “China is a rival. China is a rival, but China is a rival whose growth and whose incredible developing power can be used to our advantage.”

He added: “We need to engage with China diplomatically, treat China as our friend and our partner, but also recognise that they are our commercial rivals. And they will try to stiff us.”

Johnson warned that Chinese technology companies would take over from the Silicon Valley giants as the world’s most powerful. “The Americans have run the tech world for decades. Microsoft, Google, Apple, blah, blah, blah — we’re used to them winning. No, no, no. The Chinese are about to win. They’ve got 5G. They’ve found out a way. Everybody’s going to be getting stuff on their gizmos through the Chinese system and not the American system. So watch out for that one.”

On disarming North Korea, Johnson said: “Of course we’ve got to help the Americans do this thing…. I just talked to Mike Pompeo, my counterpart in the US State Department. What they want us to do is to use our nuclear expertise to dismantle Kim Jong-Un’s nuclear missile. That’s what he asked me to do today.”

Johnson said he “would love to” visit North Korea, and believes the UK has influence there. But he said he has no immediate plans to visit.

Speaking about Brexit, Johnson told the Tory activists the talks are approaching a “moment of truth”.

“I’m not going to hide it from you,” Johnson told the activists. “There is an argument going on.”

Brexit will happen, “and I think it will be irreversible,” Johnson said. But he added: “The risk is that it will not be the one we want.”

There’s a high chance of Britain ending up with an arrangement that violates many of the Brexiteers “red lines”, keeping it “locked in orbit around the EU, in the customs union and to a large extent still in the single market,” Johnson said. “So not really having full freedom on our trade policy, our tariff schedules, and not having freedom with our regulatory framework either.”

That outcome was being pushed particularly by the Treasury, which Johnson said was “basically the heart of Remain”. It would mean the UK had left the EU without taking back control over its own affairs.

Clarifying his own red lines, Johnson said he would be willing to accept staying close to the EU for longer than March 2019, when it formally leaves the EU, but will not budge when it comes to the final terms of the future relationship.

“I will be prepared to compromise over time, but I will not compromise over the destination,” the Foreign Secretary told the activists.

The Remainers in government are worried about the potential for short-term disruption after Brexit that they’re blind to the long-term benefits, Johnson said.

“What they don’t want is friction at the borders. They don’t want any disruption of the economy. So they’re sacrificing all the medium and long-term gains out of fear of short-term disruption. Do you see what I’m saying? The fear of short-term disruption has become so huge in people’s minds that they’ve turned into a quivering wreck.”

“They’re terrified of this nonsense,” Johnson said. “It’s mumbo jumbo.”

Johnson gave a scathing response to warnings of chaos because of delays at Britain’s borders, which have included a Treasury analysis saying that disruption at Dover could lead to shortages of food and medicines if the UK leaves without a deal.

There would be disruption, Johnson said. “Yeah, of course. There will be some bumps in the road.”

But the warnings had been overblown.

The “prophecies of doom” about disruption of customs are “pure millennium bug stuff,” Johnson said, referring to the hysteria about Y2K at the turn of the millenium.

“All the planes crashing from the sky. It’s absolute nonsense.”

“It’s the 21st century,” Johnson continued. “You know, when I was Mayor of London… I could tell where you all were just when you swiped your oyster card over a tube terminal, a tube gizmo. The idea that we can’t track movement of goods, it’s just nonsense.”

He added: “Unless you make the change, unless you have the guts to go for the independent policy, you’re never going to get the economic benefits of Brexit. You’ll never get the political benefits of Brexit.”

He said the debate about solutions to the Northern Irish border had been blown completely out of proportion.

“It’s so small and there are so few firms that actually use that border regularly, it’s just beyond belief that we’re allowing the tail to wag the dog in this way. We’re allowing the whole of our agenda to be dictated by this folly.”

Johnson said the technology-based customs solution favoured by the Brexiteers in cabinet — known as “maximum facilitation” — was viable.

“Concentrate on maximum facilitation,” Johnson said. “That’s what we want. Solve the technical problem. We can easily find a solution that allows us to have trade that is frictionless as possible… with our continental friends and partners while still be able to do free trade deals. It’s not beyond the wit of man.”

Johnson disagreed with a claim by the head of HMRC that “max fac” would cost the UK economy up to £20 billion, by adding additional border checks for businesses. “No we don’t think that’s realistic at all. It’s out by a factor of 10 or 20,” he said.

The European Commission is playing hardball in the negotiations to try to prove to the other 27 member states that it’s not worth trying to leave, Johnson told the activists.

“I think Theresa is going to go into a phase where we are much more combative with Brussels,” he said.

“You’ve got to face the fact there may now be a meltdown. OK? I don’t want anybody to panic during the meltdown. No panic. Pro bono publico, no bloody panic. It’s going to be all right in the end.”
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Post by KinderLad on Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:10 pm

Arron Banks, the millionaire businessman who bankrolled Nigel Farage’s campaign to quit the EU, had multiple meetings with Russian embassy officials in the run-up to the Brexit referendum, documents seen by the Observer suggest.
Banks, who gave £12m of services to the campaign, becoming the biggest donor in UK history, has repeatedly denied any involvement with Russian officials, or that Russian money played any part in the Brexit campaign. The Observer has seen documents which a senior Tory MP says, if correct, raise urgent and troubling questions about his relationship with the Russian government.
The communications suggest:

  • Multiple meetings between the leaders of Leave.EU and high-ranking Russian officials, from November 2015 to 2017.

  • Two meetings in the week Leave.EU launched its official campaign.

  • An introduction to a Russian businessman, by the Russian ambassador, the day after Leave.EU launched its campaign, who reportedly offered Banks a multibillion dollar opportunity to buy Russian goldmines.

  • A trip to Moscow in February 2016 to meet key partners and financiers behind a gold project, including a Russian bank.

  • Continued extensive contact in the run-up to the US election when Banks, his business partner and Leave.EU spokesman Andy Wigmore, and Nigel Farage campaigned in the US to support Donald Trump’s candidacy.





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Post by Zuper on Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:13 am

Kome verovati:
Boris Dzonson kaze: Rusija je nebitna
Times koji naginje torijevcima kaze: Rusija razbucala SAD i UK
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Bas sam zbunjen.
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Post by KinderLad on Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:20 am

Pa i jedna i druga stranka su podeljene po pitanju Brexita
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Post by Filipenko on Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:52 pm

Britanija sada definitivno odlazi.
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Post by William Murderface on Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Ako mogu BHLu da odbiju zahtev za vizu, onda je Bregzit vredeo uprkos svemu.


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Post by beatakeshi on Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:05 am

This week, Labour has an opportunity to vote to protect jobs, living standards and our rights, when the EU Withdrawal Bill returns to Parliament.

The Conservative government's botched Brexit negotiations are putting those things at risk. The Tories are too divided to negotiate with the EU, so Parliament must set clear negotiating priorities.

Tory ministers want a race to the bottom on rights and protections and to turn Britain into an offshore tax haven. That would lead to greater inequality and further attacks on public services.

The Prime Minister is too weak to stand up to Donald Trump — and his decision to impose heavy trade tariffs on UK exports exposes the recklessness of this Government's post-Brexit trade strategy.

There has been a lot of talk recently about the EEA, or so-called Norway model, which offers access to the EU Single Market but has serious drawbacks.

The Norway model does not reflect the needs of the much larger British economy. It would mean taking rules from Brussels, but having no role in making them. It would not deliver the comprehensive new UK-EU customs union we want to negotiate. Nor would it meet our commitment to no hard border in Northern Ireland. We cannot settle for this.

Labour will only vote for a final Brexit deal if it delivers a strong relationship with the Single Market based on full tariff-free access and ensures no loss of rights and standards.

Together with a new customs union, that would ensure a strong and balanced package to protect UK jobs and living standards, put a floor under rights and protections and ensure no hard border.

The votes in Parliament this week are a chance for us to unite around the package we've laid out, and for MPs across the House to deliver the sensible Brexit plan the government clearly can't. The Tories are too busy fighting each other to negotiate a good deal for Britain.

A year on from the general election, it is only Labour that can bring our country together and has the plan to invest in all our communities, upgrade our economy and slash poverty and inequality.

Thank you for your support to bring closer the Labour government we all want to see.

In solidarity,

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Post by William Murderface on Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:54 am

The absolute boy


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